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Let the terraforming commence
« on: November 10, 2011, 06:28:13 PM »

In another "science follows sci-fi's lead" moment this dude has created something fricking awesome!

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/water-from-thin-air-aussie-eds-airdrop-an-international-hit-20111110-1n8ks.html

How impressive is that, if we can send enough of them to Mars we can terraform the joint, create an atmosphere and eventually settle there.

Love it.

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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2011, 08:14:07 PM »

Woot, let's stop this climate change bullshit then, and if it actually kills us (lol) then we can all move to mars!
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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2011, 08:50:41 PM »

How impressive is that, if we can send enough of them to Mars we can terraform the joint, create an atmosphere and eventually settle there.

Hey?  Is not the low temperature the more immediate concern for lack of liquid water?

And, what do you mean by "create an atmosphere"?
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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2011, 09:15:21 PM »

Hey?  Is not the low temperature the more immediate concern for lack of liquid water?

thinking, thinking...

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And, what do you mean by "create an atmosphere"?

bit more of the thinking thing...

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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 09:19:22 AM »

It's a frigging awesome idea that guy's come up with, I hope he gets it into production.

I'll skip moving to Mars though, too close to home.
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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2011, 02:12:54 PM »

I'll skip moving to Mars though, too close to home.

Nick's in Uranus jokes apply?

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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2011, 02:16:05 PM »

Coincidently the only one that'd be the same if they used the Greek names.
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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2011, 02:31:31 PM »

Woot, let's stop this climate change bullshit then,

I'm not particuarlly scientifically minded, as you know, but I believe in gravity, evolution and existence of electrons because despite being challenged hundreds of times, the vast majority of the scientific community are behind them. Why does global warming not fall under this?
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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2011, 02:39:13 PM »

Nobody much claims that gravity, evolution or electrons is going to DESTROY THE WORLD unless everyone changes all sorts of things.

To be frank, even if the results of climate change are particularly noticeable, the people really going to be worse off are living in third world nations that nobody much cares about anyway.

Collapsing the biosphere or whatever is only going to happen if we legalise gay marriage. :lol:
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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2011, 02:50:31 PM »

I'm not particuarlly scientifically minded, as you know, but I believe in gravity, evolution and existence of electrons because despite being challenged hundreds of times, the vast majority of the scientific community are behind them. Why does global warming not fall under this?
You can't demonstrate warming through an experiment that would prove it, or by studying evidence from what has already happened. Global warming is about predicting the future, something most people (scientists included) are particularly lousy at. This is most likely because God just makes up stuff as He goes along rather than assembling any kind of plan for the future. Hmmm, maybe He's more human than I thought....?
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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2011, 04:09:01 PM »

In another "science follows sci-fi's lead" moment this dude has created something fricking awesome!

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/water-from-thin-air-aussie-eds-airdrop-an-international-hit-20111110-1n8ks.html

How impressive is that, if we can send enough of them to Mars we can terraform the joint, create an atmosphere and eventually settle there.

Love it.

SG

You're a bit behind the times, SG.  The latest photos of Mars' surface show there is liquid water there already - and one of the polar caps is all water - can't remember which one, though.  The other is methane or some shit.

But you're right - terraforming Mars is going to be a lot easier with devices like this one.

I'm somewhat of the opinion that we CAME from Mars in the first place.
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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2011, 04:43:14 PM »


Anyone got any favoured Mars terraforming book recommendations? I liked the Red Mars, but the trilogy went downhill (imho) as the ratio of human drama to terraforming goodness increased.

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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2011, 09:32:57 PM »

You're a bit behind the times, SG.  The latest photos of Mars' surface show there is liquid water there already - and one of the polar caps is all water - can't remember which one, though.  The other is methane or some shit.

Both of the ice caps contain ice.  The temperature and air pressure are too small to allow permanent liquid water.

I'm somewhat of the opinion that we CAME from Mars in the first place.

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Is there a way to respond to this without patronising Mez?
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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2011, 03:46:54 PM »

I'm not particuarlly scientifically minded, as you know, but I believe in gravity, evolution and existence of electrons because despite being challenged hundreds of times, the vast majority of the scientific community are behind them. Why does global warming not fall under this?

Google Law of Gravitational Attraction.

You will find it.

Google Detection of Electrons.

You will find proof.

Both of those are definitive and proven.

The Theory of evolution is called a theory because, in scientific method, it has not yet been proven conclusively.  In fact, believing in evolution is a form of faith that most of its adherents fail to recognise.  And most of those don't even understand the basics of evolution.

Google Law of Global Warming.  It doesn't exist because it hasn't been proven and in fact we have evidence that climate change has occurred throughout history at points where humanity simply hasn't had the scale to produce any impact.  There is evidence that massive and rapid (several decades only) changed the climate of Egypt to the extent that it was responsible for the fall of the Old Kingdom.

Equally ask yourself this - why did the tropical rainforests in the north of Africa collapse and get turned into oil over millions of years without being replaced by more rainforest?  We KNOW that climate change has occurred throughout the history of this planet, and therefore it is exceptionally arrogant to assume humanity is driving the current observable climate change because there is not a significant level of evidence this is the case.

As for most scientists supporting AGW, that is quite possibly the best misinformation ever.  Most scientists sit in the middle and believe there is not sufficient evidence, there are those at either end who believe there is AGW evidence and there are those who believe it to be completley untrue (there is no compelling evidence for this either).

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Re: Let the terraforming commence
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2011, 03:52:35 PM »

You're a bit behind the times, SG.  The latest photos of Mars' surface show there is liquid water there already - and one of the polar caps is all water - can't remember which one, though.  The other is methane or some shit.

But you're right - terraforming Mars is going to be a lot easier with devices like this one.

That sort of beign the point Mez.  Those devices don't actually create water, they merely extract it.  Thuis water must be present in the first place....

But thanks for trying.

I'm somewhat of the opinion that we CAME from Mars in the first place.

Welcome to The Sirens of Titan by Mr K Vonnegut.

Although he thought Saturn...

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