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Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« on: May 07, 2010, 03:10:01 AM »

Anyone?

Hopefully Gordan Brown can get back in. I am enjoying all the election buzz at the moment anyway. Strange that they have it on a weekday and polls don't shut till 10pm and election coverage runs pretty much through night. Lame but I feel like staying up to watch it.
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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2010, 03:15:09 AM »

I dunno...apparently the Cybermen have only been good during a Tory government.  Revenge of the Cybermen was made during a Labour government, likewise, RTD's attempts.  Now he's gone, the Cybermen should improve, which means Labour will have to be lose.

Otherwise, I'll have to wait for the official results.
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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2010, 08:15:31 AM »

Anyone?

Hopefully Gordan Brown can get back in.

The only reason you could possibly want Gordon Brown to get back in is to drive teh value of the Pound even lower so your Aussie tourist dollars are worth more.

The man is a complete feckwit who makes "our Kev" look sincere and overachieving by comparison.

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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2010, 09:42:30 AM »

The only reason you could possibly want Gordon Brown to get back in is to drive teh value of the Pound even lower so your Aussie tourist dollars are worth more.
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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2010, 11:12:34 AM »

Gordon Brown is a legend. He always gives the papers something to write about, and I think that is what the public really want out of a leader. It's the only reason you'd vote for Abbott in Australia after all.
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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2010, 12:09:03 PM »

Yeah...I mean, look at Churchill. 
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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2010, 12:20:36 PM »

...and George W. Bush, what a character!
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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2010, 12:22:51 PM »

Well, he is generally regarded as a failure...Churchill is seen as a massive success, despite being a rubbish leader.
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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2010, 12:54:30 PM »

Gordon Brown is a legend. He always gives the papers something to write about, and I think that is what the public really want out of a leader. It's the only reason you'd vote for Abbott in Australia after all.

Boris Johnson.

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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2010, 01:02:31 PM »

Yeah...I mean, look at Churchill. 

Churchill was saved by WW2.  A drunken, sexist, racist (hated immigrants esp Hindus and preached teh British race would be weakened by interbreeding), homophobic, elitist (believed in teh class system and desperately wanted the status quo to remain - he was born in Blenheim Palace from memory) snob who often spoke of democracy as a pathetic system he is remembered well only because the Allies won WW2.

True, he spoke out against Hitler realtively early compared to most.  But he did this for self advancement and to oppose the incumbent political enemies he had.  He was just lucky hitler turned out to be genuinely bad and got his timing wrong.  Had Hitler waited another 12 months or so for Stalin to bed down the reforms of the Red Army before invading Europe then Nazi Germany would have been seen as a saviour of Western Europe and Winston would have been another drunken upper class twit.

Bear in mind that during his time as PM he fucked up the African campaign by removing troops before finishing off the Italians which resulted in (a) the emergence of Rommel and the Deutsches Afrika Korps who flogged the Brits across Africa for another couple of years and (b) the troops he removed and sent to the Balkans ddin't achieve much except making the Germans feed them in prisoner of war camps.  He also sent the battleships Prince of Wales and Repulse to Singapore without air cover, the Japs promptly sank them using the same methods as they had at Pearl Harbour - i.e. aerial attack.

Churchill was just lucky, exceptionally lucky, that we won the war and that he happened to be the only candidate for PM becasue of his previous anti Hitler stance. 

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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2010, 01:33:20 PM »

Bear in mind that during his time as PM he fucked up

Not to mention his time as First Lord of the Admiralty.  Gallipoli, of course, but then trying the same thing in the next war with Norway, except against as much more formidable opponent.  And Coronel in WW1.

Churchill was just lucky, exceptionally lucky, that we won the war and that he happened to be the only candidate for PM becasue of his previous anti Hitler stance. 

Well...he did look grumpy in photos, and made defiant sounding speeches.  As a figurehead, he wasn't bad, and they needed a figurehead.  If he'd let people who knew what they were doing get on with it, and spent his time in front of cameras and radios...
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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2010, 02:35:58 PM »

Not to mention his time as First Lord of the Admiralty.

Well I restricted myself to PM activities.  But if we must...

Gallipoli, of course,

No, not "of course"

Gallipoli HAD the potential to dramatically shorten WW1.  Whilst it became a failure the actual plan was audacious and could have opened a new front in the war against a stretched enemy whilst also supporting the Russians who were already getting nervous about their revolutionaries.  But most of all if it were not for the Gallipoli campaign the Turks would have had far more troops available to fight TE Lawrence and the whole Arabian campaign might well have ended very differently.  Further the Turkish navy was basically taken out by Brit submarines so there was no real threat from them for the remainder of the war.

Had the lacklustre General (not a fighting experienced chap) actually pushed forward quickly to take the heights at Gallipoli much may have been different.

Gallipoli was far from the disaster that superficial teaching has made it.  As a standalone campaign it certainly was, but in the bigger context it achieved a significant degree of tactical success.  Of course, one would prefer it had been a huge military success and had helped end WW1 2 years early but then I'm sure the Huns/Ottomans wish they had flattened the Allies in their campaigns as well.


but then trying the same thing in the next war with Norway,

The Norwegian campaign did a lot of damage to the German navy but overall the result was to get out of a bad situation.  At least they got out quickly that time.

As for Coronel, not sure how that one is Chruchill's fault.

Well...he did look grumpy in photos, and made defiant sounding speeches.  As a figurehead, he wasn't bad, and they needed a figurehead.  If he'd let people who knew what they were doing get on with it, and spent his time in front of cameras and radios...

Zackerly.

His second term was a better reflection of his capability.

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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2010, 02:48:54 PM »

It looks like the Conservatives are back in! Long Live Gordon Brown!
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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2010, 03:02:44 PM »

It looks like the Conservatives are back in! Long Live Gordon Brown!

Is there an absoulute majority?
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Re: Anyone intersted in the Brit election?
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2010, 04:09:06 PM »

Eh? I thought Gordon Brown was Labour?
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