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[Monsieur Blond]

Maternity leave is better than a baby bonus. I'd rather money goes toward someone who actually works and has a kid than some wanker of a teenager having a kid for the money.

[Mez]

So get rid of the cats.

You don't take care of your pet and clean up after it, you shouldn't have a pet.
With fair warning of course, tell them, "Either you clean after your creatures, or you find a new place to keep them, or I find a new place/hole in the ground to keep them"

Same goes for small children, and teenagers if you failed to house-train them...

Right.  This is what gets me so shitty.  It's my fault.

When Mr Mez was a public serpent, I realised this: if he went to work in a wrinkled shirt, people didn't blame him for being a slob; they blamed me.

It's the same with you where you live.  When people come over, they're not going to say "OMFG! You live like pigs, you disgust me Frazzy" to you.  They will say it (or think it of) Mr Frazz's mum.

If a house is not clean, it is perceived to be the fault of the senior female.  You just did exactly that, to me.

Fuck you all.

[Thaluikhain]

I don't think that's what Frazz was saying.  She didn't say anything about the house, she said it about the kids.

The responsibility of raising the kids falls on the parents, surely.

Admitedly, she didn't mention Mr Mez as being part of the "you", and maybe should have.

[SG]

Right.  This is what gets me so shitty.  It's my fault.

When Mr Mez was a public serpent, I realised this: if he went to work in a wrinkled shirt, people didn't blame him for being a slob; they blamed me.

It's the same with you where you live.  When people come over, they're not going to say "OMFG! You live like pigs, you disgust me Frazzy" to you.  They will say it (or think it of) Mr Frazz's mum.

If a house is not clean, it is perceived to be the fault of the senior female.  You just did exactly that, to me.

Fuck you all.

There's the problem Mez, *YOU* think it's all about you.

It isn't.

We don't care about you, if Mr Mez looks like shit we blame him (guys do at least), and given he was an astronomer we'd probably be happy for him to only smell a little bit rather than have the stench of death smell that "The Big Bang Theoy" cannot communicate.

Relax, you're old enough now not to care what others think.  Stop it.

Move out if that makes you happy but do it for that reason alone, not for some other BS excuse.

SG

[grooviechickie]

I understand what Mez is saying, and Frazz too.

The reality is that others judge you on the condition of your house and blame the wife/mother for it and NOBODY ELSE. So for some fucked-up reason you can't comprehend, you find yourself taking on the job.

I gave up playing the game as I realised I couldn't compete without spending a fortune on fabulous furniture that nobody is allowed to sit on, crockery nobody can use... come to think of it, the only way I'd ever achieve it is if I chucked the family out.

So now I don't care - my house is my house, judge me all you like. I don't care what you think. If you have a problem with the crunchy floor, there's a broom in the kitchen. Knock yourself out.

[SG]

I understand what Mez is saying, and Frazz too.

The reality is that others judge you on the condition of your house and blame the wife/mother for it and NOBODY ELSE. So for some fucked-up reason you can't comprehend, you find yourself taking on the job.

I gave up playing the game as I realised I couldn't compete without spending a fortune on fabulous furniture that nobody is allowed to sit on, crockery nobody can use... come to think of it, the only way I'd ever achieve it is if I chucked the family out.

So now I don't care - my house is my house, judge me all you like. I don't care what you think. If you have a problem with the crunchy floor, there's a broom in the kitchen. Knock yourself out.

And has anything changed with your friends?

I assume not.

Which indicates that people DON'T judge you, it's just your own insecurities adding to teh other voices in your head.

SG

[grooviechickie]

I remember one 'friend' coming in, looking around with a nasty sneer, lip curled up in distaste, saying, "Maybe you should get a cleaner?" 

She's no longer a friend.

I bet you're a brand-name whore. You have to have the 'right' car, the 'right' phone and live in the 'right' suburb. As you stated earlier, your precious sprog will go to the 'right' school, too.

[SG]

I remember one 'friend' coming in, looking around with a nasty sneer, lip curled up in distaste, saying, "Maybe you should get a cleaner?" 

She's no longer a friend.

I bet you're a brand-name whore. You have to have the 'right' car, the 'right' phone and live in the 'right' suburb. As you stated earlier, your precious sprog will go to the 'right' school, too.

Indeed, and I love it.  The only difference is I can afford it and you're living in squalor. 

However, the brands I choose are based on what they do for me, not what society says.  I like Zegna suits, something I share with the most interesting Australian politician ever.  And I like Mercedes - safety, speed, cool cachet rather than those trendy Audi Q7 truck like things that are "in" so you miss on that one, the right phone is an Android thing but I have an iPhone so you fail there as well, and the right suburb is correct because we have bugger all crime, nice views over the Harbour, great facilities and to be entirely frank bogans like you just don't make it here. 

And yes, kids wil go to teh right schools, they will learn that Year 8 Italian may only be a basic language course but sometimes they have to suck it up and do things they don't like rather than being told they are precious petals who don't have to do what they don't want to and the world owes them a living.  It's called discipline.  You can condition your kids to accept the dole as an acceptable income, I will condition mine to achieve rather more than that.

If your friend is motivated to say you need a cleaner and you dumped her then clearly you're not as interested in the truth as you like to think.

SG

[grooviechickie]

You DO care about what others think of you as you zoom around in your Merc in your all-important bogan-free suburb. Just admit it.

And the friend and I drifted apart because of many factors - the one I mentioned was a small part of the many problems I had with her. I just remember that incident quite clearly.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

If a house is not clean, it is perceived to be the fault of the senior female.

It's not a perception. It's how it is, and how it should be.

Can't fight a miilion years of history, Mez.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

Indeed, and I love it.

No you don't.

You just think you love it, but in reality your life is meaningless and empty and you're probably more unhappy about life than Blondie even is.

Hence the reverse online persona.

Don't worry SG, I have you well placed.

[Monsieur Blond]

Reverse online persona...so in real life I'm actually a super happy freak of nature?

[Emperor Fadeaway]

Not at all Blondie.

[Monsieur Blond]

That makes me sad.

[Thaluikhain]

Well, there's a surprise.

Sadden up, overly cheerful kid!