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[Fashion Zombies!]

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/dont-be-rattled-by-the-baby-guilt-trip-20100214-nzb9.html

Opinions?

[Bookworm.]

I've always been of the opinion that children should not be the extent of a woman's worth. If she decides that that's how she's going to put value and importance on her own life, then good on her, it's not an easy job.

But women are capable of more than that. If a mother finds the cure for cancer or such, why would we assume that the children her greatest achievement?

[grooviechickie]

Many men do tend to think this way, and it really is unfortunate. They can pretend they're PC and pro equality...

What I object to is this writer's assumption that, "given the right support - women can and do balance having children while pursuing their own education or careers."

The 'right support' costs a lot of money, and unless women are in a well-paid career when they start having children, then there is little hope. I recently read stats to back this up - of the mothers who do work, 5% of them work full-time. The rest slot it in around the family timetable and take up lower-paid positions (secretarial work, hospitality, customer service) in order to do so because these positions are casual and have more flexible hours.

[Bookworm.]

Where did you read that stat, GC? That sounds ridiculously low...

And i'm not sure about the high paid career either, because that seems incongruous to the flexible hours you mentioned. Surely many of the higher paid business career type things would be far more rigid and strenuous in hours required... Getting paid more wouldn't mean you'd have more time to be a mother.

[Adi]

Getting paid more wouldn't mean you'd have more time to be a mother.

But you do have a lot more money to pay for childcare (fucking expensive), chaffeurs to take the little darling to her pony lessons, etc...

[Bookworm.]

I clearly know that, but that's not being a mother...

And regardless of that, times still does have to be taken off for the initial stages.

[Adi]

Unless you're a midwife, then presumably you could work while actually delivering the baby. Fuck, why take any time off at all? We have to do first aid courses at my work, and we have about 4 pregnant staff members at any time - why not just have a delivery room out the back of the sick bay? Pop out the baby, get back to work, a la Terry Jones in 'The Meaning of Life'.

[Thaluikhain]

Unless you're a midwife, then presumably you could work while actually delivering the baby. Fuck, why take any time off at all? We have to do first aid courses at my work, and we have about 4 pregnant staff members at any time - why not just have a delivery room out the back of the sick bay? Pop out the baby, get back to work, a la Terry Jones in 'The Meaning of Life'.

 

[SG]

Unless you're a midwife, then presumably you could work while actually delivering the baby. Fuck, why take any time off at all? We have to do first aid courses at my work, and we have about 4 pregnant staff members at any time - why not just have a delivery room out the back of the sick bay? Pop out the baby, get back to work, a la Terry Jones in 'The Meaning of Life'.

One of my former bosses, probably the best executive I have ever met, had a baby on Friday and was back at work 0730 the following Monday.

Of course, she was American so that's probably something to do with it.

SG

[SG]

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/dont-be-rattled-by-the-baby-guilt-trip-20100214-nzb9.html

Opinions?

I'm interested in the reactions.

Look how TAbbott's thoughts were represented when what he actually said was "The advice I would give my *DAUGHTERS*...".  Anyone would have though TAbbott had actually said "cahin all women to the sink" but he didn't, he said what you'd expect pretty much any father to say.  What option did he have - "I'd say go out and root yourselves senseless" would have got him in even more trouble.

Yet when KRudd apparently does say chicks should breed for the country all we get is one whiny PhD student (in media studies of all things - talk about a waste of time and taxpayers' money) and not much else.

Typical leftie media.  Biased fuckwits.

SG

[Thaluikhain]

Alternatively, it's because Abbott aired his views to the nation, whereas Rudd's controversial remarks were made to one person privately, off camera.  Outrage does spread via chinese whispers, but it generally needs a decent sized body to begin with.

[SG]

Alternatively, it's because Abbott aired his views to the nation, whereas Rudd's controversial remarks were made to one person privately, off camera.  Outrage does spread via chinese whispers, but it generally needs a decent sized body to begin with.

That would be fair except TAbbott was very specific, this was advice he would give to his daughters, no comment was made on sexual morality in general.  KRudd goes all preachy to the general female population and nothing happens.

Typical.

SG

[Thaluikhain]

Tis true, but then truth is unimportant in cases of MORAL OUTRAGE!!!!!!!111.  You need all the "I didn't personally see it but it was described to me" crew to stick their oars in, and they seem to be a very fickle lot....just because someone's statements were outrageous (which, this time, they actually were) doesn't automatically lead to outrage.   Maybe it needs a Facebook group or something to get it going.

On the other hand, I'm not sure who ran with Abbott's thing first.  The Christians, and, IIRC Sarah fucking Palin made a fuss about him standing up for moral values overlooked in today's society or something...from at least then on, it was MORAL OUTRAGE, they could have started it, I'm not sure.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

But women are capable of more than that. If a mother finds the cure for cancer or such, why would we assume that the children her greatest achievement?

Because this is a fact.

[Majorie]

I'm interested in the reactions.

Look how TAbbott's thoughts were represented when what he actually said was "The advice I would give my *DAUGHTERS*...".  Anyone would have though TAbbott had actually said "cahin all women to the sink" but he didn't, he said what you'd expect pretty much any father to say.  What option did he have - "I'd say go out and root yourselves senseless" would have got him in even more trouble.

Yet when KRudd apparently does say chicks should breed for the country all we get is one whiny PhD student (in media studies of all things - talk about a waste of time and taxpayers' money) and not much else.

Typical leftie media.  Biased fuckwits.

SG

Agreed.

I think she is lying too. I doubt he really reacted like that.