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[grooviechickie]

This is one of the few things that any government's done which I agree with.

Ethics in schools linky.

[Fashion Zombies!]

I would rather my kids to be taught 'ethics' rather than RE.

[Wolfe Tone]

I got taught ethics it was horrible.



Frigging Catholic school.

[grooviechickie]

You were taught catholic ethics. It's very different to philosophical ethics.

[Thaluikhain]

Mind you, it doesn't seem like he's really sticking it to the Christians, just giving those who were sitting round doing nothing instead of RE to be pontificated at by someone else.

[Bookworm.]

Thank you thal, I was about to say the same thing...he's not sticking it to anyone, just providing a choice.

And GC, where do you think all our current ethics came from? As annoying as they are, not all christians and everything to do with christians is bad, I hope you realise.

[Wolfe Tone]

And GC, where do you think all our current ethics came from?

Our current ethics? Do I need to refute this?

[Bookworm.]

Go for your life, but as the ideas of ethics came from religion and religious/spiritual views, I'd love to see what you have to say

[grooviechickie]

As far as I can tell, ethics more than likely evolved from philosophers like Epicurus, Socrates, Aristotle etc. They were around long before Christ was born, and the bible turned up a few hundred years after that.

[Wolfe Tone]

There's no such thing as our current ethics because everyone's ethics are different. By thier nature, ethics are different for each individual. Everyone has a multitude of sources feeding thier ethical belief, even you God botherers would take some ethics, conscious or not, came from a multitude of sources. Added to that is the mere fact that if ethics come from religion why some religious ethics addopted widely (not knifing people) and some not (wearing contraception)?

You would take some of your ethics from the decidedly atheistic Communist Manifesto, just as I would take some of mine from the gospels...


Also, that shows a shallow understanding of what an ethics class should be; taking into account everyone The extentialists to the Catholics and putting them on an equal footing (hopefully)

[Thaluikhain]

As far as I can tell, ethics more than likely evolved from philosophers like Epicurus, Socrates, Aristotle etc. They were around long before Christ was born, and the bible turned up a few hundred years after that.

No, they came up with specific ideas about ethics, they didn't invent it.  Ethics came about much earlier, when societies had to find ways of working together and dealing with increasingly complicated issues...though it has been argued that various pack animals are aware of the concept of injustice.

[grooviechickie]

I didn't say they invented it - I said it probably evolved from them.

But you're right, it would have been much earlier than that. Ergo, Books is wrong.

[Bookworm.]

There's no such thing as our current ethics because everyone's ethics are different. By thier nature, ethics are different for each individual. Everyone has a multitude of sources feeding thier ethical belief, even you God botherers would take some ethics, conscious or not, came from a multitude of sources. Added to that is the mere fact that if ethics come from religion why some religious ethics addopted widely (not knifing people) and some not (wearing contraception)?

You would take some of your ethics from the decidedly atheistic Communist Manifesto, just as I would take some of mine from the gospels...


Also, that shows a shallow understanding of what an ethics class should be; taking into account everyone The extentialists to the Catholics and putting them on an equal footing (hopefully)

What you're thinking of in this is morals. Morals are personal, ethics are decided upon by society (ethics committees, groups that have a large sway in the thinking, religion included.) Yes, they can (and have) changed over time, but very slowly and gradually.

I didn't say they invented it - I said it probably evolved from them.

But you're right, it would have been much earlier than that. Ergo, Books is wrong.

No I'm not. As you said, I never said they invented them, just that they evolved from them. I probably didn't make that clear (rather tired last night, which is why I didn't post after that), but what we now have as our modern set of ethics are mostly based on religious beliefs and ideas that were developed and spread to the population via the religious channels.

[Wolfe Tone]

What you're thinking of in this is morals. Morals are personal, ethics are decided upon by society (ethics committees, groups that have a large sway in the thinking, religion included.) Yes, they can (and have) changed over time, but very slowly and gradually.

Ethics are still not universal though. Ethics are still debatable and fluid and Society has no universal ethics unless they are in law.

[Bookworm.]

Ethics are still not universal though. Ethics are still debatable and fluid and Society has no universal ethics unless they are in law.

You just put a disclaimer on your point that proves mine. What has been translated into law (and that are considered to be ethics) are descended from religious thinking. Don't kill, don't steal, don't be unfaithful in relationships etc. Sound familiar? (I'm reading exodus at the moment...)