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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2009, 11:24:22 AM »

Because Communists weren't Communists.

The anarchists emphasised worker control over production and government, while the commies were into centralised power in the hands of the Communist party.

Communists weren't communists?

Well done dear. Go back to studying....
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2009, 11:43:42 AM »

No they weren't. Lenin and later Stalin ignored the spirit of what Marxism was about and used the label 'Communist' to get the masses on side in a bid to take political power. They executed the other socialist parties (The mensheviks and the SRs) and they actively took power from the factory commitees to hand it to the Communist party.
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2009, 11:44:59 AM »

Because Communists weren't Communists.

The anarchists emphasised worker control over production and government, while the commies were into centralised power in the hands of the Communist party.

Yes, I agree. Communism, at the outset, was a form of anarchism. It had to be, because it was very different to the established form of government.

That speech shat me to the core if it's the one where he called anyone who disagreed with his ETS, a 'climate change skeptic' that you are reffering too.

Well I dunno what speech you're referring to. But yes, anything coming from the ALP or the Greens over the last 2 years or so. Simple childish name-calling. No-one should be ashamed for believing that climate change doesn't exist. And the very fact that those who defend climate change do so with such evangelism basically proves them wrong.
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2009, 11:50:53 AM »

No they weren't. Lenin and later Stalin ignored the spirit of what Marxism was about and used the label 'Communist' to get the masses on side in a bid to take political power. They executed the other socialist parties (The mensheviks and the SRs) and they actively took power from the factory commitees to hand it to the Communist party.

Correct. Insteads of being "Power to the People", it became "Power to the Party" i.e a dictatorship.

This is never what genuine Communism was about. It's what it became.
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2009, 11:55:40 AM »

Ah, discussing ancient politics on the internets...
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2009, 11:57:57 AM »

Well I dunno what speech you're referring to. But yes, anything coming from the ALP or the Greens over the last 2 years or so. Simple childish name-calling. No-one should be ashamed for believing that climate change doesn't exist. And the very fact that those who defend climate change do so with such evangelism basically proves them wrong.

There was a beauty on the weekend when he not only attacked people who don't believe it excists, but claimed that anyone who would not support his ETS scheme was a 'climate change skeptic'. In a round about way and all but the implication was quite clear.
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2009, 11:59:52 AM »

Ah, discussing ancient politics on the internets...

Got a problem, emo child?
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2009, 12:04:28 PM »

There was a beauty on the weekend when he not only attacked people who don't believe it excists, but claimed that anyone who would not support his ETS scheme was a 'climate change skeptic'. In a round about way and all but the implication was quite clear.

Oh no. It hurts too much to be called names.

Just because people teased poor Ruddy at school, and he couldn't cope with it and it turned him into a pantwetter, it doesn't mean the reast of us aren't more resilient than him.

His comments have zero impact on me. I wear my skepticism with pride.
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2009, 12:08:04 PM »

Oh no. It hurts too much to be called names.

Just because people teased poor Ruddy at school, and he couldn't cope with it and it turned him into a pantwetter, it doesn't mean the reast of us aren't more resilient than him.

His comments have zero impact on me. I wear my skepticism with pride.

I have no particular either way, not being a scientist, but it's never healthy, nor useful in a society to assume something is correct and that means you can instantly discredit the person putting forward the point of view.
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2009, 12:10:03 PM »

Had an argument with my mother the other day when I dared to question her about the fact that I am very skeptical.

And I've been through all the science professors with their beliefs...
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2009, 12:10:27 PM »

Got a problem, emo child?

Where to begin?!
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2009, 12:11:57 PM »

Had an argument with my mother the other day when I dared to question her about the fact that I am very skeptical.

And I've been through all the science professors with their beliefs...


Dad likes Andrew Bolt, no risk of that in our household.

Where to begin?!

That's what people say when they don't have anything....
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2009, 12:17:45 PM »

I have lots of things. :x
Like study notes on oligopolies...
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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2009, 12:17:48 PM »

Exactly Wolfie. Never useful indeed.

And for anyone who presents an alternative viewpoint to be shouted down and called names is really just bullying. And we all know why a bully is a bully. Because they feel inferior. A political bully feels his political position is inferior, so must use bullying as a tactic to discourage people with better thought out ideas being able to present their ideas and win over the majority viewpoint.

It's also why poker players with the weakest hand must always bet the most.

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Re: It's starting to come out...
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2009, 12:21:53 PM »

My dad doesn't believe it either...doesn't mean my mother isn't argumentative. It's where I get it from :D
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