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[alice j]

Dear honorable sirs and madams,
I kneel humbly at your feet and ask for direction. Why is it that that any Chaser fan with a large number of shiny gold stars next to their usernames seems to opine strongly that, to appreciate The Chaser's comedy, you must surely be above the age of nineteen? I do feel strongly that any Chaser fan is an ally of mine, so why doesn't everyone feel the same way?

'Fangirl' is a term of intense disdain and dislike in the forum. I must concede that I, too, dislike those under twelve who namedrop the Chaser even though they don't quite understand why everyone laughs when any Chaser member puts on a fake beard and long, white robes. But, in a couple of years when their knowledge has increased, I feel positively that The Chaser world will be open to them, too. Everyone here (and, I must confess, everyone in the workplace, public transport system, education system, government, health sector, plus commercial industries like clothing, make up, etc) seems to think that anyone still in high school is completely ignorant. Don't feel justified by the impressive list of your fellow dislike-ers, please; Chaser fans are enlightened souls and surely a change can start here. Why is it that the Chaser Forum being full of teenagers such a bad thing?

Teenagers are one of the most enlightened and potentially revolutionary age-groups in existence. Vietnam moratoriums were, more often than not, organised by teenagers in some capacity or another. The Youth Campaign Against Conscription was one of the most productive anti-conscription organisations around in Australia. Chairman Mao recognized the power of teenagers when he set up the Red Guard-- groups of young people, often teenagers, whom he gave direct power to in order to circumvent his political opponents. Joan of Arc was very young indeed when she led the French Army into important victories during the Hundred Years' War; as a nineteen-year-old, she boldly faced trial and was unable to be swayed in her conviction even in the face of death. William Wilberforce was only seventeen when he began to consider a parliamentary career, and it wasn't much later until he was inspired to put an end to the legalized slave trade in  Britain.

Perhaps it is the fact that our futures are not yet written that drives teenagers to attempt to inspire hopeless reforms in the societies in which they live. Teenagers have visions for the future which can be priceless for developing a better society. Please, help me to understand why it is that we, futuristic, bright young people, are not welcome here.

Surely, all Chaser fans can be welcomed in this forum- or will our differences force a Berlin Wall situation? If it does, no doubt it will be teenagers who will break the wall down again.

Sincerely, alice j.

[Wolfe Tone]

I'm 18 and what you just said was a load of crap. Most of the regulars you are reffering to don't like the Chaser's later work because they feel they have sold out. Therefore as a teenager you will not apretiate when they were good and doubly that you and I are the problem; they have pandered to us at the expense of propper satire and intelligent humout.

I'm as idealist as the next man but I do frown on the vast majority of our generation because of how politically detatched and unaware we actually are.

Also if you want to sleep with any of the Chasers you have missed the point and are definately part of the so called rabble.

That's the most coherent response you'll probably get unless SG comes out so enjoy it.

[Thaluikhain]

Several reasons.

Firstly...have a look at the teenagers we already have or have had here.  Without wanting to name namesi, we'd had masses of less than shining examples.

Secondly...the Chaser was dumbed down alot towards the end of WoE...not just to cater for the average teen, true, but they are seen to be responsible for alot of that.

Thirdly...because they are the sort to require a waaambulance and complain that everyone hates them.

Teenagers are one of the most enlightened and potentially revolutionary age-groups in existence. 

Compared to what, goldfish?

Perhaps it is the fact that our futures are not yet written that drives teenagers to attempt to inspire hopeless reforms in the societies in which they live. Teenagers have visions for the future which can be priceless for developing a better society. Please, help me to understand why it is that we, futuristic, bright young people, are not welcome here.

No, it's because it's generally seen as kewl to be rebellious, so they all have to do it to fit in.

Ok, yes, you might personally happen to be a bright and futuristic (whatever that might mean) person, despite being young (and happening to come across as more of a pretentious twat than is helping your case), but apathy, ignorance and self-delusion is no less prevalent amongst teens than older persons, who have at least had a few extra years which might have forced them to wake up (though exceptions come to mind).

[Wolfe Tone]

My apolagies, I was wrong. First time since the early nineties. Seems Kurt Cobain wasn't immortal...

[alice j]

It's true they've kind of sold out-- in the last season of the WOE, the humor seemed to be directed at a more general audience...which seemed to take away from some of the integrity of the show.

With this, I was more talking about the generalized dislike of teenagers which seems to be offhandedly mentioned around here; it seems to some to be just another thing wrong with the forum. I'm not referring to anyone who I've gotten comments from, more people who've written stuff ages ago of which I dug up.

I also think that being politically detached isn't necessarily a negative thing; the rejection of formalized political process is something which could be the start of revolution. We had to reject the wrong process before we discovered a new one, so surely the turn-away of our generation from politics could be interpreted as a search for a more effective government process, couldn't it? I mean, you're always going to meet idiots who don't have a clue what's going on beyond their own school, but each generation has its problems. I just think that we have a lot to bring to the table and are sometimes shut off because of the negative stereotyping going around.

and besides, sometimes I post items about things that seems completely unfair in my head, but, erm...well, a little consideration might have been the key here. Sometimes, my fingers get a little carried away...

And finally, I don't want to sleep with anyone. I just want to get my School Certificate out of the way.

"Compared to what, goldfish?"

No, compared to generations who just accepted whatever situation they happened to be in.

[Adi]

Compared to what, goldfish?

I read that as some kind of variant on the grasshopper expression


Prove yourself and you'll be accepted, no matter your age. Naturally, there are many teenagers who are able to contribute far more to life than certain older members of this forum...

[Wolfe Tone]

Have you got a better political idea than the one we've got. I say anarchy, but that seems unpopular.

Our generation accepts what we have more than any of the previous. There's no rebelious culture, it's all been shamelessly soaked up by the corperate culture. Ours is more conservative than any since the Second World War. That's why we're politically disingaged. It isn't out of rebelion or disillusionment, it's out of complete disinterest in the wider scale.

Mind you, this is complete bullshit on account of it's generalisng and entire age group which is stupid, biggoted and always wrong.

[alice j]

No...I don't, to be honest. Perhaps some divinely ordained form of Communism. Do you really think we've got no rebellious culture? or is it just that corporate cultures seek out what various subcultures are doing to appeal to a generation who aren't quite comfortable with following the masses but don't want to be out alone either? I have to say, I think I see why people always use stereotypes. It's easier to make generalized statements that way

The giraffe is right. But you know me, if there's a rant to be had, even if I don't agree with it, I'll have it. No, I lie; I'm a traitor to this topic.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

We just assume teen fans are full of shit and if we're wrong we don't care. It's being a teenager that taught us this attitude, so if you dislike it then you're disliking the teenagerhood you're trying to defend. Therefor, you make no sense to begin with.

[Wolfe Tone]

I argued against what I'm saying not 2 months ago on this place.


The only subculture we seem to have is Emo, which is far less intelligent, angry or focused as any other teen subculture we've seen including the two genres that fed it. They're worse than fucking hippies. This is a subculture that started off with middle class kids like myself. Most of them at least have a period when it's run by the people who have something to complain about.

It's easier to make generalized comments but it's still fucking stupid.

[alice j]

hahaha, that was too clever. But you don't really, right?? I mean, teenagers would be probably more attracted to the Chaser than most because it offers criticism on the society which restricts them so much...

The only subculture we seem to have is Emo, which is far less intelligent, angry or focused as any other teen subculture we've seen including the two genres that fed it. They're worse than fucking hippies. This is a subculture that started off with middle class kids like myself. Most of them at least have a period when it's run by the people who have something to complain about.

I don't know if that's true...we still have participants in subcultures which we didn't necessarily start. And Emo is the kind of culture which makes a statement about society without quite grasping the full extent of that statement. True, it's unfocused, but when it seems like everything is wrong, how can there be focus? I just think that if there are a group of people who call themselves emo and cut themselves to get attention, there's obviously something wrong with the way society's running things. Emo doesn't provide solutions, it just cites the problem.

I argued against what I'm saying not 2 months ago on this place.

Huh??

[Wolfe Tone]

Yeah, I was arguing agaisnt Booky and SG about how our generation are just as good as the ones that preceed it.


And that's fucking stupid in itself. Our society is better than the vast majority of societies, both present and past, yet those horrible societies did not have people cutting themselves in protest. The emo thing is far more about gaining personal attention than about protest against society. This is shown through thier artists. There is no equivalent of the Clash or Bob Dylan or Bob Marley or other people who shouted madly against societal wrongs. Instead they have people complaining about thier own situations and specific people.

[alice j]

I realize that they're complaining about their own personal problems, and I'm not saying that our society is worse than societies that proceeded it. Obviously, we've learned from past wrongs and are moving forwards. But don't you see? The whole Emo subculture is the problem in itself, and the way society is dealing with it is the problem they're protesting. They just don't realize it yet.

[Wolfe Tone]

We have a better society however than most of the world's population today. If you don't believe it go to Cambodia or Somalia. The problems they think they have are stupid and insignificant because they are all middle class white males. there is nothing about thier life that has ever been hard yet they complain. Society should ignore them because starved of attention they may be forced to solve thier own problems for once in thier lifetime.

[Majorie]

Why is it that that any Chaser fan with a large number of shiny gold stars next to their usernames seems to opine strongly that, to appreciate The Chaser's comedy, you must surely be above the age of nineteen?

It's the opposite- to appreciate current day Chaser stuff you must be under the age of nineteen. Actually make that eleven.

'Fangirl' is a term of intense disdain and dislike in the forum. I must concede that I, too, dislike those under twelve who namedrop the Chaser even though they don't quite understand why everyone laughs when any Chaser member puts on a fake beard and long, white robes.

I like the way you look down on those that are merely three years younger than you RoryAlice.