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[Adi]

Mr O-Bahn is known to me. And I'm looking for a fight today.

[Thaluikhain]

Might want to hand in your mod badge before you go round deliberately feeding trolls, mind.

[Adi]

I'm making a valid comment about the story as it unfolds. Go bite your own hand

[Thaluikhain]

I'm making a valid comment about the story as it unfolds.

And this means it's not feeding a troll how?

[Nev Bartos]

Vile Candypants at his worst/best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EJkJi_yHHE

[Emperor Fadeaway]

Why are we suddenly so convinced it's not true? Sure, it might not be, but just because she doesn't want it pursued by police doesn't mean she was lying.

No, but it does massively increase the probability that's she's lying, and this shouldn't just be ignored.

How many women don't pursue abuse claims because it's all too difficult?

Raising postulations about the unknowable is irrelevant in any argument.  If we can't know the number, then there's no use raising it.  It might be a lot closer to zero than you will ever admit, and if we can't prove one way or the other, then you're just wasting everyone's time with useless crap.  Grow up eh?

It's two years down the track; it would be traumatic for her to relive it all in detail and the chances are nothing would come of it anyway. Not to mention the unwanted attention she would be receiving from schoolmates, etc. Don't leap to entirely unfounded assumptions.

By accepting her story without question, you are leaping to unfounded assumptions as much as I am.  How about getting off the high horse a little and coming back to reality?  Reality number one - Kids lie ALL THE TIME for attention.  This is a well known fact.  I won't let my judgement be affected by unknown facts, especially when they complainant acts suspiciously about it.  I will err on the side of caution and assume they are lying.  At least that way I won't look stupid when the truth comes out.  I might look like a bit of an arsehole now, but that's a small price to pay.  I am simply requesting facts, and there's nothing wrong with that.  Got any facts to share, or just mere conjecture?

Too many people get hurt in silence already

Correct!  This is exactly why Kyle within his rights to discuss it.  Why should a child being raped be taboo?  Does this not make the situation worse?  Does this not make the child feel even worse for something they aren't even responsible for?  Just because we as adults are unable to accept the filth of our behaviour, it does not mean that the sufferring of the innocent should be increased to accommodate this.  Two sides to every argument

The more we talk, the better it is for society and for victims.  Experts will agree.  Idiots who cannot accept the distasteful aspects of humanity will not.  Please, don't ruin it for the rest of us.  You've done enough damage already.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

Mr O-Bahn is known to me. And I'm looking for a fight today.

Today huh? LOL.  Sorry, running 9 days late. 

[Emperor Fadeaway]

And this means it's not feeding a troll how?

I take offence at being called a troll.  How dare you!  I am a senior netizen of this place.  Show some respect! 

[Nate]

There is also the entire probability that this was nothing more than a publicity stunt, since nobody can verify whether or not the polygraph was legit.  These segments are also planned in advance in full knowledge of what is going to happen, so nothing is left to chance even with the seven second delay.

It's likely this was just a tasteless stunt.  Nobody can provide proof either way.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

Indeed that is true Nate.  Which is yet another reason why people who actually take it seriously look like idiots.  

I prefer to trust nothing and no-one.

[Nate]

That's the best way to be.  Knee-jerk reactions are simplistic and ultimately always end up being misinformed (at best) or stupid (the more common result).  The responses were just emotional tripe and people missed the issue, which you highlighted so beautifully- talking about rape is taboo.  It's a horrific situation that needs to be brought to light in order for any chance of justice or healing to happen.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

That's the best way to be.  Knee-jerk reactions are simplistic and ultimately always end up being misinformed (at best) or stupid (the more common result).  The responses were just emotional tripe and people missed the issue, which you highlighted so beautifully- talking about rape is taboo.  It's a horrific situation that needs to be brought to light in order for any chance of justice or healing to happen.

Yes indeed.  Truth be told I do have the power of great insight. 

We say that no-one should ever feel bad if they are a victim.

And then we say that we have to keep these comments out of the public sphere, which automatically tells the victim that they've done something bad.

Society sending confusing messages is something we should all be ashamed of.  And we let it happen, and live in denial about how evil being silent actually is.  Why so?  Because it's the easy way out.  I do remember some advocate of rape victims applauded the show for bringing the issue to light, and I find it difficult to disagree with this no matter how unsavoury the topic is.

[Nate]

Unsavoury topics are the ones that need addressing most.  Society is geared towards hedonism, however it can't cope with the bad points that come from this.  Sex is everywhere, yet the victims of sex abused are swept aside.  It's simply wrong.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

I agree Nate.

The problem with hupeople is that we think we're good.  The simple evidence, which is everywhere if you care to actually look, is that we are not.

The inability to accept this only makes us even more degenerate.  Hiding things doesn't mean they don't exist.  Not talking about them doesn't make them go away, it only makes the situation worse.

I'm sure Kyle did it for all the wrong reasons of course, because he's obviously a massive idiot, but the fact that an issue is being brought to light and being discussed means he's done his job as a media participant. 

It's no different at all to The Chaser selling knives to Bulldogs fans or gatecrashing APEC or saying sick kids are a waste of space and money.  Sure, all these things could have been done better, but how about ignoring the fact that the message was delivered a little less than perfectly and perhaps focussing on the message itself.  That's what's important.

[Nate]

The problem is that the issues you've mentioned are nothing more than photo-ops when they are brought to light.  The spin doctors twist these situations in order for them to be accepted in public light.  It's not that these kids need saving- it's that Rudd cares about sick kids.  He might as well be seen patting a puppy and hugging the mentally retarded, but those aren't situations the general public necessarily always identifies with simply because theres no personal relevance.

Another such situation were the Australian of the Year awards; the hot chick forwarding the "One punch can kill" motion.  A verbal slap on the wrists and finger wagging won't do anything and simply saying physical violence fuelled by alcohol is bad is like telling a child the oven is hot when the hotplate is turned off; the fact is without very real repercussions, the mention of it isn't enough.  The kid learns not to touch the hotplate when it touches the hotplate when it's on.  Society will only learn to address the issues more prevalent than it cares to believe when they're brought up in a situation like this.  Unfortunately, this whole ordeal just got swept under the carpet in favour of crucifying an idiot.  And only one idiot- not all involved.

This could have been a fantastic moment for anti-violence against women groups and anti-silence on rape groups to come forward and steal the limelight, but did it happen?  No, because even those groups were too focused on making a scapegoat out of the perpetrator of bringing the issue to light.