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[Thaluikhain]

Because I don't actually have a choice in believing something that is obviously true.

Neither do people who disbelieve in something that is obviously not true.  They'd also be certain you'd put away your foolish superstitions and see the light some day, if you only sat down and thought about it.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

But which god?
And maybe it does cost me to beleive, or indeed not beleive.
And I'm perfectly happily to help anyone who asks for help that I'm able to provide, but I'm not going to go about just helping people because I think they need to be helped.
Why would I be more likely to help if I have a god,.. am I trying to bribe my way into a happy afterlife?, from my point of view that doesn't seem very good.

Not bribery.   That's too funny.

It's natural. If you believe in a higher power, you're more likely to see need in others and want to help. That is just a simple fact. That's not to say that unbelievers are not helpful people at all, I'm sure they certainly are. It's just a propensity that I'm talking about.

Which God is a meanigless question, there's only one.

[Frazzy?]

but what is 'good' according to your god, what is 'helping'

[Emperor Fadeaway]

Neither do people who disbelieve in something that is obviously not true.  They'd also be certain you'd put away your foolish superstitions and see the light some day, if you only sat down and thought about it.

The failure to realise that not everything revolves your power of thought is a failing that is yours alone. And a responsibility that is yours alone. You can choose to live this way if you want.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

but what is 'good' according to your god, what is 'helping'

I don't presume to understand the opinions of God my dear Frazzled one. How dare I?!

I am sure that if we merely accept words to have their ordinary meaning though, no-one will cry.

[Frazzy?]

So you could be really fucking off this god dude.. how does believing in him or not, gain any advantage?
If you don't know what God wants, what is the point of proclaiming his existence, who cares? what difference does it make?
I feel sorry for anyone who needs the presence of a high power to not be a compassionless arsehole, the only reason to help anyone is because they need help and you can give it.
Why wouldn't you help someone if you could?
Though, that said, if you need to beleive in God to not rape kittens and nail small children to the walls, or to help out when needed, please do go ahead.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

So you could be really fucking off this god dude.. how does believing in him or not, gain any advantage?

It means you will know your place, and be comfortable with it. Important much? Sure is.

If you don't know what God wants, what is the point of proclaiming his existence, who cares? what difference does it make?

It's just the turth. There's nothing wrong with proclaiming the truth. Your clearly selfish nature would not exist if you were a believer. You would realise that things being to your advantage is not the most important thing.

I feel sorry for anyone who needs the presence of a high power to not be a compassionless arsehole, the only reason to help anyone is because they need help and you can give it.
Why wouldn't you help someone if you could?

Your entire mindset is skewed because you don't believe in him. You think about advantage, benefit, what's in it for you. You just don't see it, because unless you believe in him you cannot. You're not the most important thing in your life.

Though, that said, if you need to beleive in God to not rape kittens and nail small children to the walls...

This is not an area where believing in God would be advantageous. You'd be quite beyond help.

[Mr. Blonde]

Please don't tell me you're actually arguing that anyone who believes in God isn't selfish.

[Frazzy?]

Perhaps your entire mindset is skewed because you do.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

Mr Blonde, you are correct.

And don't bother saying people only pray to God because they want something. Irrelevant.

[Mr. Blonde]

Well, it goes without saying.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

Perhaps your entire mindset is skewed because you do.

Saying the opposite of what I say does not consist of an argument.

[Frazzy?]

Everyone is selfish.

Saying the opposite of what I say does not consist of an argument.

Perhaps it does.

[Wolfe Tone]

Saying that you can't understand it and it is just beyond our thought process but he does excist, doesn't constitute and argument but you seem to be pulling it off.

[Emperor Fadeaway]

Well, it goes without saying.

Only because it's wrong.

This has nothing to do with belief. It's got a lot to do with human nature in desperation, despair and hopelessness.

It's not belief.

Believers do not need to pray for things. They are strengthened by their belief, secure in the knowledge that nothing happens without His will and everything in the world has a purpose for existence and that good always prevails.

A believer prays in gratitude and thankfullness. Not in greed.

WIN.