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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2009, 02:40:16 PM »

Giving the appearance of doing something positive, while actually doing something counter-productive? 

*faints with surprise*

The only surprise is that it can be so easily picked.  Normally they are a bit smarter about hiding it until it's too late.

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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2009, 04:11:22 PM »

Well, except for things to do with the environment, ethnic minorities, or anything scary that's just hit the headlines.
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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2009, 05:31:56 PM »

Your suggested course of action Blondie?

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Repay debts, increase taxes proportionally to gain back the lost money, ration out the billions he plans on spending in reasonable ways, perhaps scaling down the sheer amount of spending just a tad. I do like the idea of rail and broadband improvements, but it's one thing to throw billions of dollars at the idea, and another to actually get results and implement something worthwhile.

I guess I'm just dubious that all of this money is going to amount to nothing. Far too often have we been promised rail upgrades, etc, in the last year and they've all been scrapped after millions have been spent on their planning. I'm still yet to see Labor do anything worthwhile.

If he's going to throw billions at certain areas, he should start by encouraging the respective areas to find the right people for the job. Much of the NSW government could do with a bit of a polish.
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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2009, 07:29:15 PM »

Repay debts,

Well until reecently he didn't have many of those...

increase taxes proportionally to gain back the lost money,

BAP BOW!

At a time fiscal stimulus is required you want to INCREASE taxes?

What KRudd should be doing instead of throwing money at his own pet industries is giving OUR money (you do realise that all Govt money is really ours that we have given to them right?) back to us so WE determine where it will be spent, WE determine how the longer term stimulus of recurring expenditure will apply and as a result industries that customers want to survive will survive, those that are out of date or outmoded will not.

ration out the billions he plans on spending in reasonable ways, perhaps scaling down the sheer amount of spending just a tad. I do like the idea of rail and broadband improvements, but it's one thing to throw billions of dollars at the idea, and another to actually get results and implement something worthwhile.

Very good call. 

Nationbuilding infrastructure for the future is what is required.

Given we are currently going through teh debate about how we will afford the future upgrading required to meet our electricity needs perhaps he could have targetted that.

Perhaps he could look at hospitals.

Instead they played partisan politics and allocated cash based on political rather than logical analysis.  NSW is a lost cause at the State level so they get nothing.  Think of that while you wait your place in the gall stone queue GC.


I guess I'm just dubious that all of this money is going to amount to nothing. Far too often have we been promised rail upgrades, etc, in the last year and they've all been scrapped after millions have been spent on their planning. I'm still yet to see Labor do anything worthwhile.

The aqueduct...

If he's going to throw billions at certain areas, he should start by encouraging the respective areas to find the right people for the job. Much of the NSW government could do with a bit of a polish.

Outsource everything that can be outsourced.  Simple as that.

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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2009, 07:43:20 PM »

While I am dubious that the money for infastructure will actually achieve what it is attempting to do, I'd much prefer a government to invest in that way to stimulate the economy than cash hand outs which create a temporary buble which is promptly poped when the money is spent or even worse, saved. Something with more vision would have been preferable but if we get one more cash hand out, I'm voting Liberal. Scratch that. I'm voting Liberal.
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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2009, 07:46:05 PM »

As a rough guesstimate people on between about $55K and $160K are worse off under this budget, above or below that figure the law of unintended consequences kicks in and there are enough new rorts to make you better off.

Does anyone know the percentage of the population in this salary range though? I assume married couples count as one income so they would be at 100,000 minimum together...
All the graduates, school leavers, etc would be on 35-40G base salary i think...
I'm currently on 40 grand a year and i'm in the "specialist" field. Though I have already figured out that I am getting ripped off but I cant really do anything about it atm as there are no available jobs.....

Which leads to this question which doesnt really go here but i just remembered:
Am I supposed to be getting payed extra for public holidays? Or if not then should they be giving me Annual leave hours instead? Because I have had neither so far and im pretty sure im meant to get SOMETHING for it....


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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2009, 07:55:39 PM »

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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2009, 07:57:41 PM »

Which leads to this question which doesnt really go here but i just remembered:
Am I supposed to be getting payed extra for public holidays? Or if not then should they be giving me Annual leave hours instead? Because I have had neither so far and im pretty sure im meant to get SOMETHING for it....

Depends.

Are you on a salary?

An award and if so which one?

What does your employment contract say?

There's most likely something if you are required to work PHols, whether or not it has been rolled into your salary is probably the key question.

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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2009, 07:59:12 PM »

*stunned*

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Don't worry that little head of yours, Democrats for the senate. And I don't care if my vote doesn't count.
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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2009, 08:02:14 PM »

Don't worry that little head of yours, Democrats for the senate. And I don't care if my vote doesn't count.

Muahahahahahha!

Back to form Wolfie!

Do the Democrats even exist as a party any more?

I would have picked you as a Greens voter.

Dems were much better, at least they had the sense to get teh GST in.

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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2009, 08:02:59 PM »

Depends.

Are you on a salary?

An award and if so which one?

What does your employment contract say?

There's most likely something if you are required to work PHols, whether or not it has been rolled into your salary is probably the key question.

SG

Well i havent signed a contract.

I just re-read the PD they gave me when I started and it DOES say that any PH worked will be payed at a rate of 150% of the hourly rate. So I should have been getting time and a half.....but pretty sure i havent....I'm on a salary of 39,500 which is then calculated down into the hourly rate to make it easier for the cash people to add up....apparently....

I dont know how to bring this to their attention. Hey guys, you owe me over 1000, hand it over now??
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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2009, 08:06:28 PM »

Well i havent signed a contract.

I just re-read the PD they gave me when I started and it DOES say that any PH worked will be payed at a rate of 150% of the hourly rate. So I should have been getting time and a half.....but pretty sure i havent....I'm on a salary of 39,500 which is then calculated down into the hourly rate to make it easier for the cash people to add up....apparently....

I dont know how to bring this to their attention. Hey guys, you owe me over 1000, hand it over now??

What sort of an organisation do you work for?

If they have a pay office bring it to their attention politely and by phone.  If they're a large legit company they'll check it out and either correct it or point out where they have given you time in lieu or whatever other arrangement exists at your workplace.

If they're smaller bu t legit they'll correct it when you raise it with the paymaster/mistress.

If they're small and legit then the owner will deal with it

If they're not legit you have the Fair Pay Office or whatever it's now called.  I'll find the exact reference if you need it, let me know how you go.

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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2009, 08:09:34 PM »

I work for Melbourne University.....

They have been sacking a few more staff lately, so I REALLY don't want to piss them off....

I was thinking I might ask my supervisor first just in case, so he can back me up if needed.....

EDIT: I looked at the A/L i got for the last year and It works out I have been given about 8 hours more than what the "normal" allowance is. But. I also worked EVERY PH since I started. Full days too. And that should then be 7 hours times 7-ish days. Which is another 50 or so hours....

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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2009, 08:12:35 PM »

BAP BOW!

At a time fiscal stimulus is required you want to INCREASE taxes?

What KRudd should be doing instead of throwing money at his own pet industries is giving OUR money (you do realise that all Govt money is really ours that we have given to them right?) back to us so WE determine where it will be spent, WE determine how the longer term stimulus of recurring expenditure will apply and as a result industries that customers want to survive will survive, those that are out of date or outmoded will not.

True. The raising of taxes will definitely be needed in the future, but now that I think about it, it's best to put it off for a while. But surely offering tax cuts is a silly idea. Why not just keep taxes as they are?
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Re: The 2009 Budget - ignoring the recession.
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2009, 08:21:01 PM »

Instead they played partisan politics and allocated cash based on political rather than logical analysis.  NSW is a lost cause at the State level so they get nothing.  Think of that while you wait your place in the gall stone queue GC.

Logical analysis dictates that the NSW government not be allowed anywhere near federal money. It'll get spent on shark watch programs, John Robertson's new office, Morris Iemma's limousine, another junket for Joe Tripodi, a railway to nowhere or a night out at Iguanas- nothing that actually benefits the public.

What KRudd should be doing instead of throwing money at his own pet industries is giving OUR money (you do realise that all Govt money is really ours that we have given to them right?) back to us so WE determine where it will be spent, WE determine how the longer term stimulus of recurring expenditure will apply and as a result industries that customers want to survive will survive, those that are out of date or outmoded will not.

I thought you were opposed to the $900 bribe stimulus payment.

Nationbuilding infrastructure for the future is what is required.

Given we are currently going through teh debate about how we will afford the future upgrading required to meet our electricity needs perhaps he could have targetted that.

Perhaps he could look at hospitals.

Was any money in the budget allocated to Rudd's 'feel more independent by taking the queen out of the constitution' project, a financial black hole? How many billions will that add to the deficit?

Don't worry that little head of yours, Democrats for the senate. And I don't care if my vote doesn't count.

Do they even still exist? And why wouldn't your vote count? Unless you mean if it doesn't affect the result, which it won't.

a temporary buble which is promptly poped

You're saying a singer with an annoying voice and a short life span will immediately be made the leader of the Catholic Church?

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