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[ßoris]

It was with great fanfare that the West gloated at the demise of communism.  The totalitarian regime that underpinned Soviet Communism certainly collapsed, but did Communism itself collapse?  Was the social system in Russia really Communism?

Communism cannot be forced upon people, it is a system that will only work when it is voluntary.  Even China, while maintaining its totalitarian system of government, is moving towards a free market system.  When the iron fist of Castro diminishes then I suspect the socioeconomic system in Cuba will collapse also.  If a communistic system is imposed on people, such as it was in Russia, then I don’t think it is Communism - It’s more akin to slavery.

Communism is also the oldest civil socioeconomic system, a system that began with early man and was very successful in its time.  So, why can’t communism work today?

[Mez]

There are too many people about these days, all striving for our own little piece of this overcrowded planet.  Human nature being what it is, those who can grab more, do so.

We look back on, for instance, the ancient Romans and say: "Oh yeah, but they were all mad from lead poisoning."  I wonder what future generations will say of us?  If indeed there are future generations.

My glass is half empty at the moment. 

[SG]

It was with great fanfare that the West gloated at the demise of communism.  The totalitarian regime that underpinned Soviet Communism certainly collapsed, but did Communism itself collapse?  Was the social system in Russia really Communism?

Communism cannot be forced upon people, it is a system that will only work when it is voluntary.  Even China, while maintaining its totalitarian system of government, is moving towards a free market system.  When the iron fist of Castro diminishes then I suspect the socioeconomic system in Cuba will collapse also.  If a communistic system is imposed on people, such as it was in Russia, then I don’t think it is Communism - It’s more akin to slavery.

Communism is also the oldest civil socioeconomic system, a system that began with early man and was very successful in its time.  So, why can’t communism work today?

Willow says "Aleks be gone!"

SG

[Lord Biscuit©]

There are too many people about these days, all striving for our own little piece of this overcrowded planet.  Human nature being what it is, those who can grab more, do so.

Overcrowded? What do you mean? There heaps of room left.

We look back on, for instance, the ancient Romans and say: "Oh yeah, but they were all mad from lead poisoning."  I wonder what future generations will say of us?  If indeed there are future generations.

I'm blaming aluminium through 60/70/80s (in pots), teflon in 90s (in pots again), PVC and plastic throughout. It's all evil stuff infecting our food, and knowingly supplied by evil corporations for mind-control purposes.

[Mez]

Don't forget the aluminium we all put straight into our wide-open axillary glands after every shower.  At least, most of us do.

Some of my compatriot hippies use crystals on their armpits, but those people stink.

[Thaluikhain]

Communism never really has existed.  Rulers will almost invariably abuse their powers to some extent, and that excludes a communist system.

Oh...and no system worth mentioning can really be imposed on people, it has to be voluntary for it to work.

We look back on, for instance, the ancient Romans and say: "Oh yeah, but they were all mad from lead poisoning." 

If you had no idea what you were talking about, perhaps.

[Bookworm.]

So, why can’t communism work today?

Theoretically, wonderful principle. Really, good idea.

Unfortunatly, human nature comes in to play and every thing fucks up.

[ßoris]

I don't want to disrespect the achievements human/huwoman civilization, but could it just be greed that destroys communism.

[ßoris]

Communism never really has existed.

We must have a different understanding of what communism is.  Communism, as I understand it,  is still practiced by indigenous peoples in Papua and the Solomons, and I’m sure in other countries.  Communism as practiced by the Soviet Union was more or less successful in the beginning and looked promising until Stalin murdered his way into power and fucked it all up

[Lord Biscuit©]

We must have a different understanding of what communism is.  Communism, as I understand it,  is still practiced by indigenous peoples in Papua and the Solomons, and I’m sure in other countries.  Communism as practiced by the Soviet Union was more or less successful in the beginning and looked promising until Stalin murdered his way into power and fucked it all up

Ahhh, if that's communism, then I'm all for it. The womens do all the work while the men kick around trying to look important. 


which, btw, is way different to Australia!!

[Thaluikhain]

We must have a different understanding of what communism is.  Communism, as I understand it,  is still practiced by indigenous peoples in Papua and the Solomons, and I’m sure in other countries.  Communism as practiced by the Soviet Union was more or less successful in the beginning and looked promising until Stalin murdered his way into power and fucked it all up

Well, equality is one of the major principles of Communism, and human nature is very much opposed to equality...you get "fairly" Communist systems, but never pure Communism.

Oh, and though Stalin was a terrible murdering monster, we were sort of lucky to have him.  In that he popped up just before an even worse terrible murdering monster and did alot to fight it.

Even worse in that Stalin never particularly wanted to remove entire races of people from existence.

[Bookworm.]

I don't want to disrespect the achievements human/huwoman civilization, but could it just be greed that destroys communism.

greed = part of human nature. Human nature fucked it up.

[Lord Biscuit©]

greed = part of human nature. Human nature fucked it up.

So bookster, I guess that means you're eithe greedy, or abnormal. I tend to believe you may be the latter.

[Bookworm.]

Um...ok.

Humans as a collective are greedy...but it is expemplified through the actions of some individuals.


And I take pride in my abnormality. 

[ßoris]

Oh, and though Stalin was a terrible murdering monster, we were sort of lucky to have him.  In that he popped up just before an even worse terrible murdering monster

Okay I’ll bite, who could possibly be worse than Stalin?

Trotsky wanted universal revolution but by peaceful means.