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[Jealous]

Well, yes, but I meant if the marines were using it, wouldn't it be likely to be a US marine tank, not a US army one?  In the same way you get navy helicopters...the deisng isn't exclusively used by them, but the navy happens to own those particular ones.

I was just trying to make a general statement about the US defence/defense force overall. The fact that it was a marine who threw the puppy over the cliff is, in my view, irrelevant, because the average IQ of a US marine is likely to be the same as a US soldier

[Pertinax]

Ever heard of 'peacekeeping'? I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with killing people

Aw, that's quaint. Peacekeeping has nothing to do with killing people.

So I suppose the Australian Army never had to kill anyone whilst they were peacekeeping in East Timor?

The UN never had to kill anyone whilst they were peacekeeping (very badly) in Bosnia?

Here's a tip for you, armed forces personnel are generally;
1.    Very young
2.    Trained to kill people
3.    Given the resources in order to kill people as efficiently as possible
4.    Sent off into the world to kill people
... and so it should come as no surprise to anyone that they sometimes manage to... kill people.

You see that's what the armed forces are for.  If they weren't meant to kill people they'd be the diplomatic corps.

[Keridwen]

Can I play devil's advocate and ask why we'd care if a Marine tossed a dog off a cliff?

It's because they SAW it happen. Perhaps of people were uploading footage of the thousands of people dying, they'd be up in arms about it, too.

Also the fact that a puppy embodies "innocence" and Iraqis embody the opposite for a lot of people.Therefore the killing of Iraqis is completely justified, the end. 

[Thaluikhain]

because the average IQ of a US marine is likely to be the same as a US soldier

The marines aren't soldiers?

[Pertinax]

The marines aren't soldiers?

No, the Marines are technically Naval personnel.

[Thaluikhain]

Don't they still count as soldiers, though?

[Jealous]

Don't they still count as soldiers, though?

No, the three main defence force people are soldiers, marines and the air forces officers

[Pertinax]

No the US has this ridiculous competition between the armed forces as to who is more important to US security and so the Army has soldiers and an air force (US Army Air Force), the Navy has sailors, Naval Aviators (aircraft carrier born fighter planes) and the US Marine Corps (an army).  The US Air Force has a shit load of very nasty planes of all types and ground crews (mainly artillery and Surface to Air Misslile batteries) which are responsible for protecting air bases.

So the Army has an air force, the Navy has an air force and an army, and the Air Force has an army.  

It all makes perfect sense to someone.

[Jealous]

No the US has this ridiculous competition between the armed forces as to who is more important to US security and so the Army has soldiers and an air force (US Army Air Force), the Navy has sailors, Naval Aviators (aircraft carrier born fighter planes) and the US Marine Corps (an army).  The US Air Force has a shit load of very nasty planes of all types and ground crews (mainly artillery and Surface to Air Misslile batteries) which are responsible for protecting air bases.

So the Army has an air force, the Navy has an air force and an army, and the Air Force has an army.  

It all makes perfect sense to someone.

Is this the US only or does it occur in Australia?

[Thaluikhain]

Not in Australia as such...unless you want to argue that all helicopters, and the Special Air Service should be part of the Air Force and so on.

Oh, IIRC, the US marines have, or at least had during WW2, their own, seperate air corp.

[Jealous]

Not in Australia as such...unless you want to argue that all helicopters, and the Special Air Service should be part of the Air Force and so on.

Oh, IIRC, the US marines have, or at least had during WW2, their own, seperate air corp.

I'm surprised that all of the troops grasp the concept of all the different types of defence forces there are (being, of course, the intelligentsia of the population)

[SG]

Well, yes, but I meant if the marines were using it, wouldn't it be likely to be a US marine tank, not a US army one?  In the same way you get navy helicopters...the deisng isn't exclusively used by them, but the navy happens to own those particular ones.

Fair call.

Did you know the Australian Abrams tanks can be "resumed" the the US if they need them in this region?

SG

[SG]

I was just trying to make a general statement about the US defence/defense force overall. The fact that it was a marine who threw the puppy over the cliff is, in my view, irrelevant, because the average IQ of a US marine is likely to be the same as a US soldier

And thus your limited knowledge is exposed.

The Marines requirements are higher than the regular US forces as they place a higher emphasis on independent operations.  They are a designated quick reaction force which, among other things, entails junior non commissioned ranks being trained and able to take command of larger groups of combatants than is the case for the regular army.

But hey, why let actual facts get in the way important stuff like "lol, like isn't it so, like, MEAN, that trained killers operating in a harsh environment kill puppies"

SG

[SG]

You see that's what the armed forces are for.  If they weren't meant to kill people do anything they'd be the diplomatic corps.

Fixed.

KRudd being the Prime Example.

SG

[SG]

Not in Australia as such...unless you want to argue that all helicopters, and the Special Air Service should be part of the Air Force and so on.

Oh, IIRC, the US marines have, or at least had during WW2, their own, seperate air corp.

Theory for the Marines is they are a self contained rapid deployment force.  Thus they have a bit of everything.

Australia has it to an extent, all three arms run helicopters, the Navy has soldiers for boarding duties, the Air Force has soldiers for pilot retrieval etc etc etc

SG