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[Pertinax]

The following are extracts from an article in Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper.  Here’s the link to the whole story.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/992389.html

Imagine, if you will, a Jewish state founded as a refuge and last resort, that one day declares the act of seeking refuge a felony.

Imagine, if you can, a law that would allow the expulsion, without any judicial process, of refugees so desperate to reach that state, that they would hazard their very lives and those of their children to do so. Imagine, impossible as it may be, that a Jewish state that is home to hundreds of thousands of Holocaust survivors, could decide not only to imprison African refugees for five years, but to make those fleeing genocide in Sudan subject to prison sentences of at least seven years.

…For decades, Israeli leaders, frightened of opening a Pandora's box holding millions of Palestinian refugees, ducked and deferred policymaking on the larger issues of non-Jewish refugee asylum. They allowed temporary "emergency regulations" on "infiltrators" to remain on the books as the sole legislation on the subject since they were enacted 54 years ago. Officialdom did its best to shy away from the Darfur and wider African refugee problem as well, until the influx of asylum seekers proved too massive to ignore…

…The bill's provisions include empowering security forces to hold refugees without arraignment for as long as 18 days. Worse, the proposed law would allow soldiers in the field to carry out "hot returns" within three days of the refugees' capture, sending them back across the Sinai border, where they could be gunned down by Egyptian forces, or re-deported to Sudan, to be greeted by firing squads…

…All the more obscene, then, that the new bill reserves special punishment (seven-year terms versus five for other refugee "infiltrators") for those fleeing countries the bill defines as "enemy states" - Sudan among them.

…and some of you think our immigration policies are harsh.

[SG]

…and some of you think our immigration policies are harsh.

Sounds sensible to me.  No point fucking about being all namby pamby when all your neighbours want you blasted out of existence...

SG

[Thaluikhain]

For a given value of "all".

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I love Israel.
Such a great way to make it easier to wipe them off the face of the planet all in one go, next time.


 

[Lord Biscuit©]

I love Israel.
Such a great way to make it easier to wipe them off the face of the planet all in one go, next time.


 

yeh, like with Japan, Germany,Al Queadaetc. never really works does it?

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they are the cockroaches of the human race 

[Mez]

Who, Jews?  Or are you referring to Japanese, Germans and Muslims?    I'm confused as to who are the real cockroaches...

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Jews, of course! Not even a holocaust can kill them! 

[Thaluikhain]

Ouch...

Though, the same applies to Slavs, communists, negroes, gypsies, homosexuals, the disabled et al.

And it's not a Holocaust unless everyone is burned...what's ancient greek for "lots of people"?

[Mez]

And it's not a Holocaust unless everyone is burned...

Crap.  The word you're thinking of is genocide, and the only people who ever did it is us good ol' Aussies.

[Thaluikhain]

Crap.  The word you're thinking of is genocide, and the only people who ever did it is us good ol' Aussies.

Holocaust comes from ancient Greek, refering to a sacrifice where the whole thing was burned, rather than just the inedible bits, the meat being kept (as gods don't need food anyway).

Genocide isn't a purely Australian thing, you know.

Oh, and if you are using the word "us" inclusively, to suggest that all Australian are responsible for the actions for all other Australians, past and present, then you can fuck right off.  And I assume you are talking about the treatment of Aboriginals...in which case, either you are saying that they aren't Australians, or that they are responsible for the genocide as well.  Well done.

If you are using the word "us" exclusively, then you might want to go and confess to someone.

[Mez]

Sorry.  What I meant was that white settlers in Australia managed the total genocide of a race - the Tasmanian aboriginals.  Previous and subsequent pogroms / ethnic cleansings / holocausts in other parts of the world were only partial genocides, in that they didn't manage to wipe out every single member of that race.

In this, as in many other things, Australia was progressive, competent and thorough.

[Thaluikhain]

Ah, ok.

Though, doesn't that depend on definition?  I mean, there are no full-blooded Tasmanian Aboriginals, but there are people with some Tasmanian Aboriginal ancestry.

And...were Tasmanian Aboriginals one distinct ethnic group?...if they were more than one, that's genocide of several peoples.

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Abos are abos are abos, aren't they? Are Tassie abos a different "race" to mainland abos?

And I thought "race" was a misnomer these days?

How can you have genocide if there's no such thing as race anymore?

When I was in Tassie, I read some crap about it being a lie that all Tassie abos were wiped out. I'll try and track it down when I'm in a more curious frame of mind.

[Lord Biscuit©]

I think we still like to think of Tasmanians as a different race