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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2008, 04:37:06 AM »

Although the picture isn't explicit as you say ( eg she is not showing her tits,) you can't deny that it is extremely suggestive- The ruby red lips, the sex hair, the silk bed sheet. Just because the sexual element is hidden underneath a cloth of 'tastefulness' does that really make it any better when you are talking about a fifteen year old?

You can use the concept of art to justify most weird and peverse things.   

dude...it's a chance for kelch to seem all avant garde and defend some "famous" photographer who seems "cutting edge".

she's one of those artsy fartsy high school types who, instead of making value judgements of her own, and filtering the work of people into good, bad and indifferent, simply lumps it all into the "woo! she rocks because my cool art teacher said so!" basket or the "woo! she rocks because most people hate that picture so i will like it" basket. :roll:

so the more we rant and rave about how "bad" the picture is, the more she will say it's cool, because kelch just has to be anti-norm because of some obvious need she has (see: ponies/hair issues).

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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2008, 04:46:07 AM »

Keep in mind that she is fifteen.

What do you think she'd want for her next birthday?

I don't want to shag her or anything.  I just want to meet Billy Ray & get him to autograph my guitar.
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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2008, 08:43:34 AM »

dude...it's a chance for kelch to seem all avant garde and defend some "famous" photographer who seems "cutting edge".

she's one of those artsy fartsy high school types who, instead of making value judgements of her own, and filtering the work of people into good, bad and indifferent, simply lumps it all into the "woo! she rocks because my cool art teacher said so!" basket or the "woo! she rocks because most people hate that picture so i will like it" basket. :roll:

so the more we rant and rave about how "bad" the picture is, the more she will say it's cool, because kelch just has to be anti-norm because of some obvious need she has (see: ponies/hair issues).



ahalolno. "Cool" is not the right word to describe, it is a masterpiece, it's just so elegant and amazing. I honesty do not believe there is anything morally wrong with that image. For the sake of - it's sexually appealing to those who are inclined to think like that, the sexualisation everyone is mentioning has been blown completely out of concept.  She is 15, as we have said, okay, technically underage - but her parents, agreed, she discussed it with Leibovitz, everything was understood and planned, Cyrus agreed to it, so I really don't see why everyone is so "huff-huff". Why can't all those mothers who are whining about this portraying the wrong image to kids, say she was just sleeping naked.
Do you actually have an opinion Yak, or are you just here to turn me into a stereotype?

Heh, yeah, so open-minded that you reject opinions which you disagree with.

I'm not rejecting it, I'm trying to have some sort of discussion/debate/whatever the fuck you want to call it, about this photograph. I'm not rejecting your opinions I'm trying for people to see this as art, not some great unholy image of disgust.


Although the picture isn't explicit as you say ( eg she is not showing her tits,) you can't deny that it is extremely suggestive- The ruby red lips, the sex hair, the silk bed sheet. Just because the sexual element is hidden underneath a cloth of 'tastefulness' does that really make it any better when you are talking about a fifteen year old?

I don't think it matters it's a 15 year old, when her and her parents agreed to do the shoot. I think it shows how much media has effected us to instantly jump to the "sex" conclusion. It could just be bed hair ffs. I'll say it is slightly suggestive, but I still don't see what's so wrong about this.

You can use the concept of art to justify most weird and peverse things.   

So what? In this case it's just to use it, as you know, famous photographer, for Vanity Fair.... their photos are pieces of art. I don't care about what it contains, but all the photos in there of theirs, are stunning.

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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2008, 09:39:56 AM »

ahalolno. "Cool" is the right word to describe, it is a masterpiece, it's just so elegant and amazing. I honesty do not believe there is anything morally wrong with that image. For the sake of - it's sexually appealing to those who are inclined to think like that

How could anyone not think like that? I think most people can see that picture is trying to show that she has probably just had sex

She is 15, as we have said, okay, technically underage - but her parents, agreed, she discussed it with Leibovitz, everything was understood and planned, Cyrus agreed to it, so I really don't see why everyone is so "huff-huff".

Actually now she has come out saying she is 'embarrassed' by these photos..

"I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be 'artistic' and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed," she said in the statement. "I never intended for any of this to happen and I apologize to my fans who I care so deeply about"

Whether she was forced to make this statement I really don't know but if not then it is pretty much completely exploitive.
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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2008, 09:58:42 AM »

Do you actually have an opinion Yak, or are you just here to turn me into a stereotype?

You're doing a good enough job on your own of turning yourself into a stereotype, despite your best efforts to be a unique and beautiful snowflake :P

As for whether that photograph is a "masterpiece" or not - pft! It looks like something most skanky emo teen chicks post on their myspace pages, admittedly with a little more photoshopping.

I had this same argument with my lad when we went to the National Art Gallery a few weeks back. There some wankers who looked like they'd simply smeared shit down a canvas, and he was goatee-stroking and saying what a marvellous piece it was, and then you'd turn the corner and see the work of artists in the Turner to Monet exhibit who had meticulously replicated scenes to the point where it looked like a photo - that's talent.

Basically, I think if I can do it, it's not art. I could smear shit down a canvas, so I don't reckon those sorts of paintings are art. I reckon I could take a pic of someone like that Cyrus one, so I don't think it's art.
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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2008, 11:47:15 AM »

Do you think any photography is art?

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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2008, 03:50:13 PM »

I agree with Yak. I don't think this is high-brow art, at all. A lot of people get all flustered about "art" like that, saying its beauty lies in its simplicity and what not - and while I will say that I occasionally do enjoy a bit of good simplistic art, this is not one of those times. It gets to a stage where art is just stupid. Anyone can take a photo like that, and that photo of her is not simplistic in a "wow, the black and white/simple lighting scheme/lack of colour/lack of objects or action/single foreground focus really makes this picture elegant and simple" kind of way, it's simplistic in a "did one of your friends take that photo at a sleepover?" kind of way.

In this day and age when paedophiles are apparently at large, taking a photo of a 15 year old looking like that, whether for art or not, is a little dubious.

Do you think any photography is art?

That's a good question, really. Photography sort of seems like the laymans' art form. You don't have to be particularly talented at it, just in the right place and the right time and in the know about lighting techniques and the like. I prefer to stick with the old-fashioned view of detailed paintings as art, not so much photos. But having said that, some photos are particularly wonderful.
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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2008, 04:55:27 PM »


Actually now she has come out saying she is 'embarrassed' by these photos..

"I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be 'artistic' and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed," she said in the statement. "I never intended for any of this to happen and I apologize to my fans who I care so deeply about"
I heard, and I am really, really pissed off that she's said that.


As for whether that photograph is a "masterpiece" or not - pft! It looks like something most skanky emo teen chicks post on their myspace pages, admittedly with a little more photoshopping.
lolno? The lighting, the balance, it's nothing like that.

I had this same argument with my lad when we went to the National Art Gallery a few weeks back. There some wankers who looked like they'd simply smeared shit down a canvas, and he was goatee-stroking and saying what a marvellous piece it was, and then you'd turn the corner and see the work of artists in the Turner to Monet exhibit who had meticulously replicated scenes to the point where it looked like a photo - that's talent.

Basically, I think if I can do it, it's not art. I could smear shit down a canvas, so I don't reckon those sorts of paintings are art. I reckon I could take a pic of someone like that Cyrus one, so I don't think it's art.

I can understand that, half of this new modern art isn't obviously art, and another half really is nothing like others. I mean I don't think I've seen anything - in the same style - and intricate as Picasso's sketches.

I agree with Yak. I don't think this is high-brow art, at all. A lot of people get all flustered about "art" like that, saying its beauty lies in its simplicity and what not - and while I will say that I occasionally do enjoy a bit of good simplistic art, this is not one of those times. It gets to a stage where art is just stupid. Anyone can take a photo like that, and that photo of her is not simplistic in a "wow, the black and white/simple lighting scheme/lack of colour/lack of objects or action/single foreground focus really makes this picture elegant and simple" kind of way, it's simplistic in a "did one of your friends take that photo at a sleepover?" kind of way.


I think this is another beautiful cover for Vanity Fair. And I don't think just anyone can take a photo of that. Someone who knows something about composition, yes maybe. Technically, it's really not all that fabulous, but aesthetically, I love this photo.


If this Cyrus chick wasn't 15, what would you say?

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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2008, 06:58:22 PM »

If this Cyrus chick wasn't 15, what would you say?

it would be less of an issue but i still wouldn't say it's art. more a glamour studio shot  :roll:
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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2008, 07:00:00 PM »

it is for Vanity Fair.
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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2008, 07:05:35 PM »

Do you think any photography is art?

yeah, but normally stuff that's been digitally enhanced in some way or there has been some kind of trickiness with the camera to make special effects. or if the subject has been composed a certain way to express some kind of meaning.

i don't mind some of the stuff of this chick i used to talk to on the net: http://www.anasusanj.com

this one, for example: http://www.anasusanj.com/photography/expressive/rocks.html

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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2008, 10:16:46 PM »

There are a lot of people (even the Kelchs of the world) who don't 'get' art. When it comes to paintings, a suprising number of people are lost unless the painting relates to something they recognise in the real world. This why photography and photorealism has been so popular. Some art needs explaining - it is unlikely someone would ,get, cubism without first learning about what is trying to be acheived.

But (to me at least), art is not something you try to make sense of. It's about the feelings/emotions that a work invokes in you. This will be a little different for each person, meaning someone elses opinion of some art may only be vaguely useful - like movie reviews, book reviews etc.
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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2008, 11:34:03 PM »

meh. fuck you and your postmodernist bullshit  :roll:
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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2008, 11:52:10 PM »

There are a lot of people (even the Kelchs of the world) who don't 'get' art. When it comes to paintings, a suprising number of people are lost unless the painting relates to something they recognise in the real world. This why photography and photorealism has been so popular. Some art needs explaining - it is unlikely someone would ,get, cubism without first learning about what is trying to be acheived.

But (to me at least), art is not something you try to make sense of. It's about the feelings/emotions that a work invokes in you. This will be a little different for each person, meaning someone elses opinion of some art may only be vaguely useful - like movie reviews, book reviews etc.

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Re: Miley Cyrus posing topless
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2008, 12:03:13 AM »

If this Cyrus chick wasn't 15, what would you say?

Obviously it wouldn't be an issue then if she wasn't a minor. Having said that I still don't think the picture is particuarly good or flattering to the girl at all- She is too skinny and pasty
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