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So there's a lot of hoohah at the moment about a "binge drinking" problem amongst Australia's youth. And it's not just a Today Tonight beat up - it was even featured on Lateline just then!  :-P

Is there actually a problem though? Or is it just the same thing that's always gone on?

I mean, there's a report that claims 10% of 12-17 year olds report binge-drinking (defined as seven or more standard drinks in a day for a male and five or more standard drinks for a female), in any given week.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23269564-2702,00.html

That seems an awful lot of kids on the turps. And it also means a lot of developing brains being screwed up by alcohol damage.

They're going to try and bring in labelling similar to that which is on cigarette packets to deter people from drinking. But I think tackling alcohol like it's tobacco isn't the best way to go. It's not the same - the consumption of alcohol often brings with it instant gratification and rewards that cigarettes don't give (false confidence, a loss of social inhibition etc) and with the exception of a hangover, the health risks of the occasional 'binge' seems fairly insignificant - what's a few brain cells here and there?

There's also the argument about parents who 'socialise' their children into consuming alcohol sensibly by introducing it with meals and allowing them to drink at home. There's plenty of anecdotal evidence to support this but I also heard a study the other day that claimed the opposite (I'm trying to track down the source...). And my personal experience of a "sheltered" upbringing has caused me only to have a couple of binge sessions as an adult.

So what are your thoughts on the matter?

Personally, I think there needs to be more done so that underage drinkers are actually fearful of the law and police enforcing the law - I know that kept me in check for a while. I also think that way too many parents give in too easily to the demands of their whiney teens or are being held hostage by their teenagers because they are clinging to the ideal of 'communicating' with their kids and trying to be their 'friend'. I think this power shift has given teenagers the upper hand and cognitively they really aren't up to the task of making appropriate decisions.

I also think there needs to be education about the damage alcohol does to one's body. Why would I care about stopping my once a month binge if all it's doing is kill a few brain cells?

And is our "Aussie culture" to blame for it all? A good hangover is almost a badge of honour. People try to outdo each other on the RBT machines installed in bars. People actively seek out drinks that have the highest "standard drinks" level. This kind of mentality is hard to contend with.

But anyway. Discuss :P
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Re: Binge Drinking - real problem, or latest gripe of the wowser brigade?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2008, 10:57:15 PM »

Well, it is a real problem,ut one we've had for ages and mostly gotten used to.

Putting ads on bottles is going to do half of fuck all, of course.
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Re: Binge Drinking - real problem, or latest gripe of the wowser brigade?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2008, 11:00:31 PM »

But is binge drinking bad?

And is this generation being too nuts with binge drinking?

And are they starting earlier?
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Re: Binge Drinking - real problem, or latest gripe of the wowser brigade?
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2008, 11:09:46 PM »

Even if they make the drinking age higher, it won't stop anyone- they'll all just keep doing it.
As someone who is quite often around teen binge drinking, I'd say that we need more education in schools on the effects of alcohol on the consumer and their family/friends etc.
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Re: Binge Drinking - real problem, or latest gripe of the wowser brigade?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2008, 11:14:56 PM »

But is binge drinking bad?

And is this generation being too nuts with binge drinking?

And are they starting earlier?

Well, binge drinking is bad, yes, but I doubt it is much worse than it has been in recent generations.
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Re: Binge Drinking - real problem, or latest gripe of the wowser brigade?
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2008, 11:18:01 PM »

Hmmm it's only since I moved to my new school have I been aware of underage drinking that's severe sort of thing. At my old school only a couple of boys drank, but at Box Hill it's a massive thing - and for the kids there, most of the big drinkers started at like 12 - 13... maybe 14 for those less fucked up. Mind you, Box Hill is known for the students who suffer at other schools, I mean they usually except the expelled kids, the fucked up kids, the ones without permanent homes, the ones who failed every the previous year, they take anyone. From socialising with these guys, I know they couldn't give a rats ass about what's printed on the bottle, and I don't know anyway to actually enforce underage laws or anything of the sort. And I do mean these guys are binge drinkers, not just party goers. One of the boys used to keep drinking in the morning because it was better than a hangover, another used to get tanked every night cause he wasn't much of a hangover guy, and one of the girls would get some Jim Bean into her every night.

However all the people I know that binge drink don't care about their bodies, so really, no health issues are going to scare them into not drinking. I do think binge drinking is bad, I don't know what these guys see in it, because it is wrecking their health. one of the guys stopped drinking for six months and just grew, from being at my shoulder to almost taller than me - don't know if was just a well place growth spurt, or the lack of alcohol consumption.

And I do think this generation is being too nuts with binge drinking. Because more people are fucked up in this generation, which means they turn to alcohol, more people are either falling under peer pressure and do it cause it's cool, and more are doing it because they love being drunk, and they don't think anything can stop them. I'm not too sure what the laws are of drinking in your own home, but if there are any, no-ones scared of them. No-one's scared of laws to do with alcohol, they're all just empty threats.
A guy I knew got caught with alcohol in the streets, and he was a minor. He didn't give the beer over so the police just sent a letter home to his parents. Ohhh that's frightening  :roll:
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Re: Binge Drinking - real problem, or latest gripe of the wowser brigade?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2008, 11:18:58 PM »

Because more people are fucked up in this generation,


Oh?
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Re: Binge Drinking - real problem, or latest gripe of the wowser brigade?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2008, 11:20:44 PM »

More people are OPEN about being fucked up.

Also you know, the whole "emo" scene, it's cool to be fucked up, it's cool to drown your sorrow in a bottle.

Well it was.

That scene is dead now, but they still all drink.

Indie, ftw.
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Re: Binge Drinking - real problem, or latest gripe of the wowser brigade?
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2008, 11:30:58 PM »

Binge drinking might well have always been a problem, but it seems to me that there is now more concrete evidence about the links between excessive alcohol consumption and health concerns (both physical and mental health). That's probably why it's come to the general attention. Youngsters are quite happy to flaunt their alcoholic habits, and it's become the issue of the moment to fix. Once upon a time it was smoking, then it was drink driving, now it's binge drinking.

On the issue of how to go about fixing it:

Upping the drinking age will do more harm than good. As soon as you make something illegal, it immediately increases the attraction, especially for rebellious youths. Neither should they make the legal age any younger. Leave it at 18, it's as good an age as any, but change all the other aspects of the youth drinking culture.

Warnings on bottles might dissuade a few, so let's go for it. One approach isn't going to fix it, and it's a huge problem, so we have to do everything. Warning labels are one tiny aspect of what we can do.

Ban those sweet lolly-water Cruisers et al, which are very attractive, especially to the young ladies, and are nearly always more than one standard drink. It's like drinking soft drink; you don't even notice that you're drinking until it's too late.

Crack down on vendors not checking ID. Crack down on venues selling alcohol to people who are already drunk; it's illegal yet it happens all the time, because some are more concerned about making a buck than the kids losing brain cells. Crack down on people who produce fake IDs. As Yak said, the threat of the law works for a lot of kids, and really is the way to go. You'll always get the rebellious ones who don't give a shit, but it will scare a lot of kids. The police are pretty stretched as it is, but anything they can do to make their presence felt is vital. And the Liquour Licencing Commission has powers regarding vendors, so they can help out too.

Widespread education in high schools (and universities). Scare the shit out of them; give them gruesome detail about brain injury, foetal alcohol syndrome, drink driving, anything and everything that might dissuade them.

Parental/family influence is the hard one. Different kids take parental advice differently; for some, promoting moderate drinking at home will do the trick, for some it will only give them a taste for it which will escalate. Some kids might see the prohibition of alcohol at home as an excuse to go out and get smashed because they haven't experienced it. That's the difficult issue, and that's probably just about the crux of the issue. I don't have any answers there!

There's no one way that's going to stop this, it's about gradually developing a culture that doesn't revere binge drinking in quite the same way. It might take a number of years, but it's worked with smoking. People still smoke, and people still take up smoking, but it's hugely improved in the last 20 or so years. There's no reason why the same thing can't happen with alcohol.



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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2008, 11:35:49 PM »

hmm i think your generation has got it pretty hard in terms of 'living up' to 'role models'. i put those quote marks in because the role models you guys have are pretty pisspoor these days. there seems to be a big focus on 'confidence' and having a 'fuck you' attitude these days and that really isn't a natural state, especially when you're a teenager - they're supposed to be the insecure years. and it's no surprise if your insecurities are magnified given all the bullshit in the media about how you're "supposed" to look and live etc.

alcohol puts a shroud over the insecurities. you too can be the paris hilton of your school and have everyone talk about you for weeks after you go so trashed at the party.

i also don't understand how it's become so accessible to young kids.
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Re: Binge Drinking - real problem, or latest gripe of the wowser brigade?
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2008, 11:36:23 PM »

Obviously binge drinking isn't a good thing, I think we can all agree on that.

While I agree that school education on effects etc. is helpful, more probably won't help as the people who do this sort of thing are also the people who don't listen to school talks.

I also think that there is too much hype over TEEN binge drinking. Why is it that for people of a certain age it is more wrong than for others? Other people are also prone to the abuse of alcohol and role modelling is the main cause that I see of teen binge drinking. When teens see adults getting drunk and having a good time, naturally they think that getting drunk has led to the good time, which leads to binge-drinking.

I haven't had much alcohol before, apart from the occasional sip in front of parents. Still, I can't see why anyone would want to binge drink unless they thought that it would bring them something good. So role-modelling and peer pressure are obviously key factors.

Most teenagers aren't stupid (although I'm not accusing you guys of thinking anything to the contrary). Us "rebellious teens", us "youngsters"? Well, not really. There's only a few. And stereotyping is not exactly one of the solutions.

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Re: Binge Drinking - real problem, or latest gripe of the wowser brigade?
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2008, 11:39:02 PM »

the role models you guys have are pretty pisspoor these days.

Well, what role models did you have?
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2008, 11:40:40 PM »


i also don't understand how it's become so accessible to young kids.

There's always going to be an over age who wants to make a cheap buck off buying kid some alcohol. and fake ids are popular these days - even though I can't manage to get one. Although in my age group, some people are already 18.


Most teenagers aren't stupid (although I'm not accusing you guys of thinking anything to the contrary). Us "rebellious teens", us "youngsters"? Well, not really. There's only a few. And stereotyping is not exactly one of the solutions.

Jim

I think you don't need to stereotype either. There are still rebellious teens, there's not few, there's enough for this to still be considered a problem. Just because your circle of friends don't drink, or only do a bit and aren't massacring their bodies every night with booze, doesn't mean it's only a small number of people.


Uhhm and I'm still thinking how to reply to Adi.
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2008, 11:46:35 PM »

I also think that there is too much hype over TEEN binge drinking. Why is it that for people of a certain age it is more wrong than for others? Other people are also prone to the abuse of alcohol and role modelling is the main cause that I see of teen binge drinking. When teens see adults getting drunk and having a good time, naturally they think that getting drunk has led to the good time, which leads to binge-drinking.

well, because the teenage brain isn't fully developed, so there's an increased chance of damage. in fact, they say the brain isn't *completely* developed until your early to mid 20s.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52687-2005Jan31.html

but i agree with you on the role modelling.

having said that, why are adults getting blotto in the presence of kids? my memories of seeing adults drink were drinking to get merry, not blotto, on special occasions like christmas etc. the one time i saw my mum get really tanked, she threw up and was bedridden for days - i think that was a great lesson about the effects of alcohol :P

still, the first time i went drinking i didn't know how much i could handle, drank a whole bottle of ouzo, threw up all over my friend's bathroom and passed out in the bathtub. i've only once been in a similar state since and it wasn't intentional. so i guess i did the 'live and learn' thing but it seems like some kids actually enjoy the 'out of control' feeling or something? i have no idea why someone would want to get paraletic every weekend :(
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2008, 11:48:22 PM »

Uhhm and I'm still thinking how to reply to Adi.
Maybe tl;dr? ;-)
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