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If I were Education Minister...
« on: January 30, 2008, 06:15:13 PM »

OK. School's back, it's the second day, and already I'm   :x :x :x :x :x

Not because of the kids, but because of the completely fucked up education system to which I belong.

So here is a wishlist of things that I'd try and introduce if I were to become a Federal Education Minister (I don't even care if noone replies...l just wanna get it off my chest :P):
  • teachers to return a week before the students in January to plan and prepare.
  • teachers to return two days before students during midyear holidays.
  • teachers in leadership positions (e.g. assistant principals, deputy principals, head teachers) shouldn't be allowed to work part time (e.g. two days a week). They should be forced to relinquish their position until they are able to return full time.
  • teachers should not be allowed to take additional leave (long service leave etc) in the first four weeks of a school year.
  • the education system should be federalised, with a national curriculum and assessment program.
  • the curriculum should be streamlined so that teachers aren't teaching crap like healthy eating and road safety. These are PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES and they suck out important learning time in other areas.
  • teachers should sit regular testing in key learning areas like maths and english to determine competency and areas for professional development.
  • the government should widen the berth for 'school numbers' so that schools aren't in limbo about how many classes and teachers they'll be allowed to have dependent on re-enrolments at the start of each year (this stops schools from finalising classes for a week or so after school goes back).

What would you want changed?
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Re: If I were Education Minister...
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2008, 06:21:33 PM »

Somebody hug Yak.

Though...it doesn't really just apply to schools, but I want to change the emphasis of ANZAC day from that "Baptism by fire" bullshit to "we got alot of people pointlessly killed and are very ashamed".  Fair enough we celebrate our achievements during WW2, that was a war worth fighting, but WW1 not really, and the Gallipoli campaign not at all.  Fucking Churchill.
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Re: If I were Education Minister...
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 06:22:37 PM »

how the fuck did you get 500 posts ahead of me?  :|
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Re: If I were Education Minister...
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2008, 06:24:07 PM »

By posting about 500 times more than you have.

Actually, yeah, is odd.
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Re: If I were Education Minister...
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2008, 06:33:07 PM »

  • teachers to return a week before the students in January to plan and prepare.
  • teachers to return two days before students during midyear holidays.

I agree with both. If they want those days off, they should be taken out of their leave also.


  • teachers should not be allowed to take additional leave (long service leave etc) in the first four weeks of a school year.

Or at the last part of the year for that matter, students exams are important.

  • the curriculum should be streamlined so that teachers aren't teaching crap like healthy eating and road safety. These are PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES and they suck out important learning time in other areas.


But what about parents who are not responsible for their offspring?

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  • teachers should sit regular testing in key learning areas like maths and english to determine competency and areas for professional development.

I've had English teachers with worse spelling than me before (hard to believe), and math teachers that could never stray from their calculators. This should be enforced as strictly as possible.

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What would you want changed?

I'm finished school now, but something that pissed me off was how students could never give input and it was always put down when the thought independently, I think schools should see whats important in the people who are going to lead and make them into leaders instead of herding them like sheep.


Though...it doesn't really just apply to schools, but I want to change the emphasis of ANZAC day from that "Baptism by fire" bullshit to "we got alot of people pointlessly killed and are very ashamed".  Fair enough we celebrate our achievements during WW2, that was a war worth fighting, but WW1 not really, and the Gallipoli campaign not at all.  Fucking Churchill.

One could then argue that no war is worth fighting and dieing in and all war is old men talking while young men die and this is not the way it should be so we should commemorate every war properly and not be proud of achieving blood shed. But that's just another argument about war... and the way we as a society should view it. [/list]
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Re: If I were Education Minister...
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2008, 06:36:40 PM »

But what about parents who are not responsible for their offspring?

Then they shouldn't have procreated. It's not the teachers job to bring the kids up properly.
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Re: If I were Education Minister...
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2008, 06:42:12 PM »

Somebody hug Yak.

Only if she doesn't hit me....

I think the one thing I really want to change, would to have stricter regulations for teachers. There is too much variety within teachers. Some are pathetic, others are fabulous. It gets too annoying after a while, so there should be some sort of test to make sure they are all at the same standard.
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Re: If I were Education Minister...
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2008, 06:53:31 PM »

Well, you know the old saying, if you offer peanuts, you get monkeys.

Erm...and people that take the education of our young seriously.

But, teachers, nurses and various other essential professions are underpaid, which can't be a good thing.
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Re: If I were Education Minister...
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2008, 07:04:40 PM »

Then they shouldn't have procreated. It's not the teachers job to bring the kids up properly.

Mmm, well, I believe breedings not a right, it's a privilege. Not everyone should be able to do it, but unfortunately everyone can. In the words of Keanu Reaves: "Hell, You even need a license to own a dog but any bastard can have children", or, something like that.
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Re: If I were Education Minister...
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2008, 07:05:07 PM »

Well, you know the old saying, if you offer peanuts, you get monkeys.

Erm...and people that take the education of our young seriously.

But, teachers, nurses and various other essential professions are underpaid, which can't be a good thing.

Well, yeah. But there used to be a time when getting into an education degree was hardish to get into. Now, any idiot can go to the ACU and become a teacher.

But yes, teachers should be paid better and have more incentive to teach well.
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Re: If I were Education Minister...
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2008, 07:08:40 PM »

    • teachers to return a week before the students in January to plan and prepare.


    All I ever hear from teachers is "we don't get those long holidays like the kids do" even though they seem to be slouching around all the time when the kids are off.

    • teachers to return two days before students during midyear holidays.

    Refer above

    • teachers in leadership positions (e.g. assistant principals, deputy principals, head teachers) shouldn't be allowed to work part time (e.g. two days a week). They should be forced to relinquish their position until they are able to return full time.

    Yep.  Pisses me off in industry as well - if you're simply doing a function that is transactional then fair enough, reduced hours can be coped with.  LEadership of all things requires a constant presence to ensure the direction is adhered to.

    • teachers should not be allowed to take additional leave (long service leave etc) in the first four weeks of a school year.

    Assuming teachers DON'T get school holidays off then all forms of leave (barring sick and bereavement) should have to coincide with the time off for kids.

    If on the other hand teachers do get that time off plus the additional leave and LSL then they should do a propoer handover to their replacement and allow the replacement to do a proper handover when they get back.  How the hell does a teacher come into a classroom 4,5, or more weeks after the kids have started a year and pick up the process without disadvantaging the kids?

    • the education system should be federalised, with a national curriculum and assessment program.


    Absiolutely.

    • the curriculum should be streamlined so that teachers aren't teaching crap like healthy eating and road safety. These are PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES and they suck out important learning time in other areas.

    Given most kids are dullards I'm actually happy to include this in school.  Equally I wouldn't have teachers teaching it, I'd go for some lower grade of muppet.

    Sppeaking of which there should be a mminimum of 1 hour PE each DAY with mandatory additioanl classes for overweight kids.  And I'm not talking games of cricket or tennis, I'm talking sweaty gut busting activities.

    • teachers should sit regular testing in key learning areas like maths and english to determine competency and areas for professional development.

    Teachers should have a career path available to them that may or may NOT take them out of the clssroom as they desire.  To many good teachers (well ok, I only know 1 personally and she was my Year 7 English teacher) move into admin roles because they pay more.

    • the government should widen the berth for 'school numbers' so that schools aren't in limbo about how many classes and teachers they'll be allowed to have dependent on re-enrolments at the start of each year (this stops schools from finalising classes for a week or so after school goes back).

    Agreed

    What would you want changed?

    Teach kids some useful life skills like shorthand and speed reading.

    Teach them critical thinking so they understand why the CONCEPTS espoused in To Kill a Mockingbird are so very critical to their everyday life.

    Make assessment be based around more than just rote learning and recitation

    Make philosophy a compulsory subject in the same manner as the French do.  Make people consider the human condition.

    Get rid of political bias and agendas (from both sides).  Teach the kids critical thinking so they can see through the marketing BS that makes Maccas/Mickey Ds so popular, smoking seem cool and Paris such a "role model".  And that same style of thinking will ensure they question politicians before voting for them instead of believing the populist bullshit.

    That probably enough for now.

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    « Reply #11 on: January 30, 2008, 07:11:24 PM »

    Somebody hug Yak.

    Though...it doesn't really just apply to schools, but I want to change the emphasis of ANZAC day from that "Baptism by fire" bullshit to "we got alot of people pointlessly killed and are very ashamed".  Fair enough we celebrate our achievements during WW2, that was a war worth fighting, but WW1 not really, and the Gallipoli campaign not at all.  Fucking Churchill.

    Teach the casualty numbers for all Allied nations and Central Powers nations involved.

    Learn that we weren't abused or treated badly, that we were just the same cannon fodder as the average Allied footslogger.

    ANd whilst we're atit dump ANZAC Day and change it to El Alamein day.  Th 9th stopped Rommel dead in his tracks, now THAT is an achievement worth being proud of.

    Forget the jingoistic bullshit, just recognise that standing up to be counted is fucking important.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 30, 2008, 07:20:44 PM »

      Sppeaking of which there should be a mminimum of 1 hour PE each DAY with mandatory additioanl classes for overweight kids.  And I'm not talking games of cricket or tennis, I'm talking sweaty gut busting activities.
    Should there be age taken into consideration in this too? What if it's not the kids fault (say they're like 5 and weigh like 90 kilos) should they try speaking to these parents and co-ordinating the efforts so they can make these things long-lasting and not just "we'll get you fit and when you graduate you can fuck off and eat what you like." I'm sure there would be ways to avoid the exercise and weight is not just determined by how many crunches you do. You need to put in as much as you put out.

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    Teach them critical thinking so they understand why the CONCEPTS espoused in To Kill a Mockingbird are so very critical to their everyday life.

    Make assessment be based around more than just rote learning and recitation

    Make philosophy a compulsory subject in the same manner as the French do.  Make people consider the human condition.

    Get rid of political bias and agendas (from both sides).  Teach the kids critical thinking so they can see through the marketing BS that makes Maccas/Mickey Ds so popular, smoking seem cool and Paris such a "role model".  And that same style of thinking will ensure they question politicians before voting for them instead of believing the populist bullshit.

    I actually really like this. I would have loved school if all this was involved. But alas, it was not. [/list]
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    Re: If I were Education Minister...
    « Reply #13 on: January 30, 2008, 07:22:54 PM »

    Learn that we weren't abused or treated badly, that we were just the same cannon fodder as the average Allied footslogger.

    The two aren't mutually exclusive.  Though, no conscription, no shooting of deserters and higher wages put the Australian troops in a better position than most.

    ANd whilst we're atit dump ANZAC Day and change it to El Alamein day.  Th 9th stopped Rommel dead in his tracks, now THAT is an achievement worth being proud of.

    Agreed.
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    « Reply #14 on: January 30, 2008, 07:25:38 PM »

    Should there be age taken into consideration in this too? What if it's not the kids fault (say they're like 5 and weigh like 90 kilos) should they try speaking to these parents and co-ordinating the efforts so they can make these things long-lasting and not just "we'll get you fit and when you graduate you can fuck off and eat what you like." I'm sure there would be ways to avoid the exercise and weight is not just determined by how many crunches you do. You need to put in as much as you put out.

    Good call.

    For all obese kids their sessions start at 0600.  Parental attendance mandatory.

    Soon as that happens then watch the weight drop.


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