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[WithTheDawn]

Oh how I'd love to see a woman or a black man in the White House.  Unfortunately, I don't quite see it happening.  Maybe next millenium.  Americans generally are too retarded to look past gender or skin colour.

Ironically half the people are doing this in the way you are thinking, and the other half are also doing it, but in the opposite way. Voting for the black guy because he is black or the female because she is female. The later group seem to think they are a lot more free-thinking and progressive, but they are just as blinded to the concepts of race and gender as the first.

[Thaluikhain]

But...if you vote for the black guy just cause he's black, it makes you so much more enlightened and progressve thinking.

[Mez]

Ironically half the people are doing this in the way you are thinking, and the other half are also doing it, but in the opposite way.

I don't understand what you're getting at. 

Voting for the black guy because he is black or the female because she is female.

I do understand that.

[WithTheDawn]

The second part is what I meant. Someone NOT voting for Hillary because she is female is just as bad as some hippie feminist chick voting for Hillary JUST because she is female. There is a lot of this "its time for a female President" bullshit going on over there right now, and it kind of shits me. While its a farce how under-represented females are in politics, electing one to the highest position simply because they are female makes a mockery of the whole system. Just vote in the best person for the job, for fucks sake. I'm not saying this isn't necessarily Hillary, just that people voting for her as the token female really shit me. Same goes for those playing the race card in favour of Obama; these people are just as bad as the racists and sexists who don't vote for them.

[Bill_Steamshovel]

Ah! But what about somebody not voting for Hilary because of all the idiots voting for her simply because she's a woman? Or somebody not voting for Obama because of the all the idiots voting for him simply because he's black?

I can see it now. If McCain wins over Hilary, it will be because the vast majority of Americans are sexist and intimidated by females, whereas if McCain wins over Obama, it will be because the vast majority of Americans are racists and intimidated by blecks.

It won't have anything to do with the fact that he's a war veteran, a fiscal conservative into small government, demonstrated bi-partisan thinking and a willingness to compromise and not someone who is a puppet of the religious right.

You can see why the Neo-Con Republicans are uneasy. He's almost a Democrat!

[Lord Biscuit©]

Dom has written an article on the subject:


http://blogs.smh.com.au/newsblog/archives/dom_knight/017218.html

[whophd]

Hey, I used to be huge fans of Hillary (and Bill).  But the more I watch her at the stump, the more I'm convinced she's not a natural.

Compare that to Obama, who can channel the soul of Martin Luther King Jr, and will be the strongest possible antidote to George W Bush.

If anyone can cut through the international hatred for the USA and reduce the threat of terrorism (to the entire west), it's Obama.

See, it's not about black vs feminist after all.  I guess, a slightly worse case scenario is Obama for VP, which means he gets potentially 16 straight years of power.

CK.

[Nev Bartos]

McCain announced he was seeking the 2008 Presidential nomination of the Republican Party on the February 28, 2007. He chose a venue that was perfectly suitable to his seriousness as a leader: the Late Show With David Letterman.

Huckabee is also an evangelical minister, as well as an author and a rock musician, thus allowing him the rare opportunity to publicly burn his own books and records.

Not sure if Hillary qualifies for this site, but Obama must deserve a mention.

[Mez]

Hey, I love the Dickipedia!!      What a cool website!

[Keridwen]

The second part is what I meant. Someone NOT voting for Hillary because she is female is just as bad as some hippie feminist chick voting for Hillary JUST because she is female. There is a lot of this "its time for a female President" bullshit going on over there right now, and it kind of shits me. While its a farce how under-represented females are in politics, electing one to the highest position simply because they are female makes a mockery of the whole system. Just vote in the best person for the job, for fucks sake. I'm not saying this isn't necessarily Hillary, just that people voting for her as the token female really shit me. Same goes for those playing the race card in favour of Obama; these people are just as bad as the racists and sexists who don't vote for them.

Perhaps it's in the greater good, though? If people are voting for minorities simply because they are minorities, this could in fact signal some deeper thinking - long term. Next time around, if a minority runs, the great unwashed won't be thinking so much in terms of "wow he's black" or "wow she's female" or "wow he's gay" or "wow she's black and gay and female" - but "wow, what an idiot" or "wow he/she is great" or "wow, why am I continually saying wow".

I mean, sucks for the next four years if some idiot gets in due to being a minority, but hey. It's for the greater good.

[Mez]

I'm not very fond of Hillary and would far rather see Obama win.  Unfortunately, I can't see it happening.

[whophd]

The one thing that was previously under the category of "never see this happening" but not anymore, is that the Republican nominee is beating all the Democrat alternatives in the polls.  This, of course, will change and no doubt change again.

OK one thing I still don't see happening, even now, is that Hillary will gain enough candidates elected under her own name:  It's just not mathematically going to happen.  Interestingly, alarmingly, something else just as apparent at this stage is that it's just as certain she's not about to step down:  She doesn't have that kind of character, and her husband won't let her 

A slightly more interesting question but still somewhat certain is whether Hillary can get some kind of "momentum" in the final weeks (I think we're talking about Virginia pretty much) that would give her a big moral victory, or something similar to give the superdelegates a reason to select her on with some kind of majority-will excuse.  Going on past weeks it's just not looking like going to happen, but a week is a long time, etc etc ...

The last thing but the only really important thing is whether the superdelegates decide to go for a big cock-up and, say, Bill Clinton arm-wrestles them into going his way, against what seems to be the "right" choice.  If anyone can pull off such a coup-like outcome, it's Bill.  I'd still have to bet against it, though, since folks like Bill Richardson (remember, the fat guy at the debates with Hillary, Obama and the other guy) have made huge defections to Obama ... consider this:  Richardson promised to endorse Clinton, and also promised that if for some reason he couldn't do that, he would endorse none of the other candidates.  Boy, something must have got him off-side, and if that can happen to him, who knows?  Obama's nomination may seem very very obvious on the day it happens?

Oh and, the other guy, John Edwards, still hasn't endorsed anyone yet.  Fair enough;  he's holding out until his declaration actually has some kind of influence.  Declaring it now would be like letting off the fireworks while they were stuck on the barge -- everyone would notice it, but would decide not to watch.

CK.

[Thaluikhain]

Heh, Hillary made a slip of the tongue.  Instead of saying she travelled to Bosnia safely, and being greeted by a welcoming committee and being taken on a tour, she *accidently* said something about running around under sniper fire.

Well, we've all made that mistake.

[Mez]

Yeah, next time I'm accused of lying, I'm going to say I "mis-spoke".  Good one, Hillary.

[whophd]

Crikey wrote yesterday that the term originally came from Ronald Reagan, who truthfully used it for his Alzheimers-y verbal slips ... he never used it to mean "I said something which I knew was wrong but misjudged that I could get away with" ...

Of course it's like one of those apologies from guilty parties who say they regret their actions ... but it's because of their poor judgement (or the 11th Commandment: Don't Get Caught), rather than contrition about the victims.  But then, haven't we all done that?

CK.