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[Majorie]

bottom line is why should a defenseless child be forced to bear the repercussions of their parents ill judgement?!

[Bookworm.]

bottom line is why should a defenseless child be forced to bear the repercussions of their parents ill judgement?!

Why should a defenceless child be forced to live a life unwanted because of their parents ill judgement? And if a child is aborted, it is not like they will ever know.

[Chromefox]

bottom line is why should a defenseless child be forced to bear the repercussions of their parents ill judgement?!

And what do you consider the repercussions? Not living at all, or living a worthless hack life?

Sure, X% of unwanted babies grow on their parents and turn out fine, though is it worth the percentage who don't, and pass it on? A fetus can't find it ethically wrong, can't be emotionally distressed by its accidental creation, can't feel guilty for imposing. A fetus doesn't know it's missing out on anything when it's snuffed out.

I'll support abortion, not only because it's nice to have a choice in the matter, but because I don't want out species getting any dumber when idiots breed more idiots.

[Majorie]

And what do you consider the repercussions? Not living at all, or living a worthless hack life?

Sure, X% of unwanted babies grow on their parents and turn out fine, though is it worth the percentage who don't, and pass it on? A fetus can't find it ethically wrong, can't be emotionally distressed by its accidental creation, can't feel guilty for imposing. A fetus doesn't know it's missing out on anything when it's snuffed out.

I'll support abortion, not only because it's nice to have a choice in the matter, but because I don't want out species getting any dumber when idiots breed more idiots.

everyone deserves at least a chance at life and no one should be able to decide for another human being as to whether their life will be worthy.

[Bookworm.]

everyone deserves at least a chance at life and no one should be able to decide for another human being as to whether their life will be worthy.

But don't humans make that decision all of the time? Like when we take children out of their native country to live a better one in a western world. Or by giving money to organisations so that people in third world countries have a closer living standard to our own. Isn't this deciding that their life is not worthy as is and should be bettered according to our standards?

[Chromefox]

everyone deserves at least a chance at life and no one should be able to decide for another human being as to whether their life will be worthy.

And when the parent does give birth to that child, and neglects, malnourishes, ignores, dejects, abuses, or acts irresponsibly with its life? How is better to allow a child to live under those conditions when a better alternative for everyone was available?

[Majorie]

And when the parent does give birth to that child, and neglects, malnourishes, ignores, dejects, abuses, or acts irresponsibly with its life? How is better to allow a child to live under those conditions when a better alternative for everyone was available?

I fail to comprehend how no life is better than a life with the slim chance of some form of mistreatment. We're not living in a third world country- this is Australia. The child born has so many oppertunities to make a great life for itself regardless of their parents

[Majorie]

But don't humans make that decision all of the time? Like when we take children out of their native country to live a better one in a western world. Or by giving money to organisations so that people in third world countries have a closer living standard to our own. Isn't this deciding that their life is not worthy as is and should be bettered according to our standards?

completely different issue

[Adi]

I fail to comprehend how no life is better than a life with the slim chance of some form of mistreatment. We're not living in a third world country- this is Australia. The child born has so many oppertunities to make a great life for itself regardless of their parents

That's true, but only once the child reaches the age of 14 or 15 at the minimum. Up until then, it's reliant on its parents for nurture and support, and if that doesn't exist in the formative years, it's too early to leave home and make its own way in life. Child neglect is just as common as child abuse (it's really just another form of abuse) and there have been several high-profile news stories about such neglect cases recently. A 3 year old child simply can't fend for itself.

[Bookworm.]

I fail to comprehend how no life is better than a life with the slim chance of some form of mistreatment. We're not living in a third world country- this is Australia. The child born has so many oppertunities to make a great life for itself regardless of their parents

Bullshit. If a child is abused and neglected and everything else chromey said, how could they possibly be as well adjusted as a person with a loving family who wanted them. And often your parents can dictate your opportunities up to a certain age and what happens in that age could mean alot to the person the become.

completely different issue

No it isn't. You said that no person has the right to decide whether another person't life is worthy or not, but obviously that decision is made often without regards to abortion.

[Chromefox]

I'm actually not living in your country, and last I checked, this was a global issue, so globally we'll discuss it. I'm not aware of the official stats, but the large piece of me with no faith in humanity whatsoever is inclined to think that an unwanted baby isn't going to magically become lovable and manageable once it pops out.

[Majorie]

That's true, but only once the child reaches the age of 14 or 15 at the minimum. Up until then, it's reliant on its parents for nurture and support, and if that doesn't exist in the formative years, it's too early to leave home and make its own way in life. Child neglect is just as common as child abuse (it's really just another form of abuse) and there have been several high-profile news stories about such neglect cases recently. A 3 year old child simply can't fend for itself.

just because a person wants to abort a child it doesn't mean that they would be bad, neglectful parents if they were to have the child- the vast majority would not be.

[Frazzy?]

If a kid isn't wanted, is born into poverty, or have parents to young and/or stupid to be looking after a kid, the chances of abuse and neglect aren't so slim.

surely wanting to kill your unborn child is the first sign of not having much chance of being in the running for mother of the year.....

[Chromefox]

Usually people abort their children because they're not ready to have them, don't want them, aren't financially prepared, or can't give it a stable upbringing. When was the last time you heard that someone perfectly loving and capable of raising an offspring ABORTED it without reason?

[Majorie]

There are plenty of support services for people not coping with their newborns. It's not a hopeless situation- abortion is and I don't understand the argument their parents may be shitty so they're better off dead