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Irish Politics
« on: November 09, 2007, 12:09:31 PM »

Okay, I'm bored. So found this on ninemsn, although it's about 10 hours too late. News travels at snails pace around here.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=90475

I find it funny that it took them almost 10 years to arrest him, as they've known he was the chief of staff since 1997. I reckon he will get off. Or the Irish government will go easy on him. Anyone wanna discuss?? Im bored here... :lol:


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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2007, 05:27:26 PM »

Al Capone kills dozens of people and gets done for tax evasion.

This Murphy bloke kills dozens of people and gets done for tax evasion.

Some things don't change.
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2007, 09:18:14 PM »

god work sucks. Been here for nearly 10 hours. Bloody hope they pay me overtime. Anyway the only reason they got him on tax fraud was because they couldnt prove anything else. The ira are very good at what they do. In terms of not getting caught.
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2007, 07:36:05 PM »

I have a girl at school who says her grandfather helped to establish the IRA....she doesn't seem to understand why the rest of us aren't as impressed as she obviously is.
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2007, 07:44:20 PM »

Al Capone kills dozens of people and gets done for tax evasion.

This Murphy bloke kills dozens of people and gets done for tax evasion.

Some things don't change.

Sure they do.  Lots of paras killed lots of people and didn't get done for tax evasion.
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2007, 08:45:24 PM »

Lots of gangsters from the 1920's and 30's also walked.

Leading up to the Anglo- Irish treaty of 1921 I can see the IRA side of the story.however what they did from then on especially from the seventies on has been disgusting. They are no better than any gun totting terrorist or common gangster.

Some of the unionists are not much better.
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2007, 07:40:04 PM »

Leading up to the Anglo- Irish treaty of 1921 I can see the IRA side of the story.however what they did from then on especially from the seventies on has been disgusting. They are no better than any gun totting terrorist or common gangster.
The way i was taught irish history/the troubles was to think how you would feel if the same thing hapened to you. Heres another way of looking at it.  lets say that new zealand actually had a big enough army and decided to invade australia. They then establish their own government, which focuses mainly on discrimination, and claims australia as their own. 400 odd years later, us aussies are getting bloody sick of the kiwis screwing up the country and decide that we want it back. The kiwis set out a treaty that divides the country into two. The east coast belongs to them and the west becomes a new country, with new laws, government, etc.

Would you be pissed off at the partition?? I probably would be. And would use whatever means to get it back. The British did not listen when they tried to talk to them, so they resorted to other means. These means finally led to an agreement in 1998, which started the peace process.

Im not saying i agree with everything the IRA did, as some of the things they did went too far over the line, but they had a right to be angry with the british government. And the British dont/didnt exactly help things much anyway. Has anyone actually heard of the UVA, UDA and other unionist paras decomissioning their weapons lately? No. And the soldiers that murdered 14 people on bloody sunday were knighted by the queen for their "efforts." I could write 10 pages on this, but i think there is a word limit, so ill stop now.

 
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2007, 09:45:09 PM »

The way i was taught irish history/the troubles was to think how you would feel if the same thing hapened to you. Heres another way of looking at it.  lets say that new zealand actually had a big enough army and decided to invade australia. They then establish their own government, which focuses mainly on discrimination, and claims australia as their own. 400 odd years later, us aussies are getting bloody sick of the kiwis screwing up the country and decide that we want it back. The kiwis set out a treaty that divides the country into two. The east coast belongs to them and the west becomes a new country, with new laws, government, etc.

Would you be pissed off at the partition?? I probably would be. And would use whatever means to get it back.

Though, that argument wouldn't work if they were Muslims, of course. :wink:
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2007, 01:07:04 AM »

The Irish are truly a strange bunch.

The guy's wanted as a terrorist and gets charged with tax evasion.

The Guarda raid his home, seize all of his shit and he goes to the football.

They take him into custody, he feigns a heart condition so they take him to hospital and get a neurologist to look at him. Don't you think a cardiologist might have been better qualified?

He's alleged to have evaded $4M in tax but they bail him for $110K.

The accused held a door stop press briefing where he said," Hi-diddly-i-di-hi-diddly-i-di potato."
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2007, 12:18:56 AM »

An Irish girl once related this one to me:

The Irish police got a tip-off and raided a home, kicked down the door, detained the occupants, who turned out to be the home owners - quite startled, and somewhat bewildered.

Next door, thieves successfully burgled some 500 pounds of jewellery. Yep, the police had got the wrong street number.
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2007, 07:55:09 PM »

The way i was taught irish history/the troubles was to think how you would feel if the same thing hapened to you. Heres another way of looking at it.  lets say that new zealand actually had a big enough army and decided to invade australia. They then establish their own government, which focuses mainly on discrimination, and claims australia as their own. 400 odd years later, us aussies are getting bloody sick of the kiwis screwing up the country and decide that we want it back. The kiwis set out a treaty that divides the country into two. The east coast belongs to them and the west becomes a new country, with new laws, government, etc.

Would you be pissed off at the partition?? I probably would be. And would use whatever means to get it back. The British did not listen when they tried to talk to them, so they resorted to other means. These means finally led to an agreement in 1998, which started the peace process.

Im not saying i agree with everything the IRA did, as some of the things they did went too far over the line, but they had a right to be angry with the british government. And the British dont/didnt exactly help things much anyway. Has anyone actually heard of the UVA, UDA and other unionist paras decomissioning their weapons lately? No. And the soldiers that murdered 14 people on bloody sunday were knighted by the queen for their "efforts." I could write 10 pages on this, but i think there is a word limit, so ill stop now.



But the thing is No matter how harshly we are being treated, the killing of innocents no matter what thier nationality
is wrong.

I've read more  about Irish history and English oppression than any other subject and I know that England was a cruel and restrictive dictatorship
but that will NEVER justify the killing of innocent civilians no matter what thier race.
Soldiers and confirmed enemies that have or plan to attack you, in a war (and that's what it was, make no mistake)  are justified but random car bombs in the street especially in London cannot be justified.
That is why war is so horrible because none of them have zero civillian cassulties.
The IRA parratroopers who blew up seven car bombs on the streets of Belfast, parked on a footpath on Black Friday are no worse than
a bomber pilot whose target is a civillian target.
There are some Loyalists who are just as bad as the IRA and both have commited mass atocities.

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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2007, 08:30:41 PM »

Have to disagree with you there.

Carpet bombing of Germany and France in WW2 killed lots of civilians, and the Allies knew it'd happen.  But it was fully justified.

Yes, it's unfortunate for those killed, but you really don't want the Third Reich to win.
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2007, 08:38:54 PM »

So what's the difference between that and the IRA?

They had proper uniforms?




Did the bombing of Dresden achieve anything in the war?
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2007, 09:37:22 PM »

Dresden I'm not sure about.

But in general, the bombing did...they couldn't specifically target factories and bridges, so they had to bomb everything, in the hope of hitting anything.  That had an effect.

More or less, the difference between that and terrorism is which side you are on.  The french resistance aren't terrorists becuase they were on the Allies' side.
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Re: Irish Politics
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2007, 12:30:05 AM »


The IRA parratroopers who blew up seven car bombs on the streets of Belfast, parked on a footpath on Black Friday are no worse than
a bomber pilot whose target is a civillian target.
if you know as much about irish history as you claim then you would know that it is called Bloody Friday, not Black Friday. And there were 20-odd bombs set on that day, though most didnt actually kill anyone. And the IRA WARNED THE BRITISH ARMY nearly 30 minutes before the first bomb went off. The British failed to act on those warnings, so are as much to blame as the IRA are/were.

A newspaper at the time quoted a leader in the army as saying he thought they were pranking them. WTF?? seriously, they must have been so stupid to ignore something like that for nearly an hour. Yes, there were numerous civillian casualties, but it forced the British government to listen to them, although no one actually took it seriously until Tony Blair.

There are some Loyalists who are just as bad as the IRA and both have commited mass atocities.

I will agree with that, but to date no Loyalist force has been made to surrender their weapons. The IRA decommisioned as part of the peace process, in early 2005 i think,  as it was the only way for them/Sinn Fein to enter the new assembly.
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