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Re: HELLO OUT THERE!!!
« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2007, 02:24:12 PM »

Sheree, everyone on this forum is just another person.

Promoting equality in the ranks.  Not a good idea for a fangirl, but rather, better used for a person who has come to the site out of a desire for satire rather than because they liked the show.  Still, it potentially villifies the abusive, because it puts us all on equal footing, and thus removes grandeur syndromes, and thus means it's just people talking to eachother with hostility.  Now this is different from abuse- abuse means the reader has gotten a negative response to what the poster has typed.  Once you put us all on equal footing, the excuse "don't worry about them, that's just the way they are" can become an excuse.  Take Fadeaway, for example.  Even Pertinax, SG and myself.  Vitriolic responses can go under the radar if people just blow it off- and the person who gets affected are those who are the target of the posts.

It's best not to make everybody faceless, because then you tend to disregard things said.  Good in theory, but then again if it were true, rumours wouldn't be so harmful.  Because after all, the person spreading them has just as many faults as I do.

 

No-one is inherently better than anyone else, regardless of whether they have a larger vocabulary or a propensity to viciously find fault in others. Those who prey on others just for being younger or less experienced than them are clearly not better people

This can breed arrogance in those less experienced, as they will believe what they know and believe is enough.  I'm not going to say this site is the perfect medium for personal growth, but it shouldn't mean that everybody should get away with what they pitch forwards.  This is how the site has always been- if you don't take into account the other person's argument, you'll get blown apart.  At best, you'll walk away from the computer with a stronger belief in what you've pitched forward, as no doubt some can testify to this when they've gotten into a heated argument/ debate with some of the most "intimidating" members to grace this site- Fades, Pert, SG, Fritz, JB.  If you'd have been around this site long enough, you'd know what I mean.  Since many others have been here longer than you, they know what several topics I'm referring to, and would agree.  However, by the same token-

their lives must be so sadly unfulfilling that they have to take out their frustrations on those they perceive as being weak. Feel sorry for them, for that's all they deserve.

"Lay down and die when you get blasted because you've been a fuckarse."

Fuck off.  Alot of the time, it's quite obvious that another has brought forth abuse which could have been avoided on themselves if they had taken the time to post "properly".  Spelling is the most prevalent of excuses used to abuse, and many of us have been on the recieving end.  All of us here have been the subject for "abuse".  Something you pussies don't realise is that alot of it is in jest, or can be taken with a grain of salt or three.  Piss-taking happens in real life too.  Get tougher skin, and it'll do you a world of good.

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.

Speak from your heart, try to avoid arrogance (it usually backfires in the end) but defend the opinions that are important to you, and it should then always be said that you are as good as you can be.
If anyone demands more, they're obviously just a bastard.

This advice is so basic and blasè that you have to yawn when you read it.  Thank you for your cookie-cutter logic and advice!  Maybe next time you can give her tips on how to breathe and eat regularly or she'll die.

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Re: HELLO OUT THERE!!!
« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2007, 03:42:20 PM »

Welcome.
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Re: HELLO OUT THERE!!!
« Reply #47 on: September 29, 2007, 03:43:14 PM »

Thanks
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Re: HELLO OUT THERE!!!
« Reply #48 on: September 29, 2007, 04:18:07 PM »

Fuck off.  A lot of the time, it's quite obvious that another has brought forth abuse, which could have been avoided, on themselves if they had taken the time to post "properly".  Spelling is the most prevalent of excuses used to abuse, and many of us have been on the recieving end.  All of us here have been the subject of "abuse".  Something you pussies don't realise is that a lot of it is in jest, or can be taken with a grain of salt or three.  Piss-taking happens in real life too.  Get tougher skin, and it'll do you a world of good.

You're right, spelling is important.
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Re: HELLO OUT THERE!!!
« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2007, 04:30:16 PM »

DJ, meet Nate.  :roll:
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Re: HELLO OUT THERE!!!
« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2007, 10:47:14 AM »

And it's about time, too. There's been a startling dearth of vitriol on this site since I joined, and a significant growth in the number of Moderator posts saying we should all just hold hands and get along. Had I known this was all it would take to have some well thought out abuse tossed my way, I would have slopped hollow, saccharine advice around much sooner.

The post I made shortly after this one didn’t give you any indication that perhaps I was being satirical? Or is that the exclusive domain of you and your ‘grandeur syndrome’ pals?

Let’s be clear – no, I wasn’t being serious, despite using the word ‘serious’ in the post. Is irony only a theory on this forum?

That aside, there are some points you’ve raised which I’d like to discuss. 

Promoting equality in the ranks.  Not a good idea for a fangirl, but rather, better used for a person who has come to the site out of a desire for satire rather than because they liked the show.  Still, it potentially villifies the abusive, because it puts us all on equal footing, and thus removes grandeur syndromes, and thus means it's just people talking to eachother with hostility.  Now this is different from abuse- abuse means the reader has gotten a negative response to what the poster has typed.  Once you put us all on equal footing, the excuse "don't worry about them, that's just the way they are" can become an excuse.  Take Fadeaway, for example.  Even Pertinax, SG and myself.  Vitriolic responses can go under the radar if people just blow it off- and the person who gets affected are those who are the target of the posts.

It's best not to make everybody faceless, because then you tend to disregard things said.  Good in theory, but then again if it were true, rumours wouldn't be so harmful.  Because after all, the person spreading them has just as many faults as I do.

This can breed arrogance in those less experienced, as they will believe what they know and believe is enough.  I'm not going to say this site is the perfect medium for personal growth, but it shouldn't mean that everybody should get away with what they pitch forwards.  This is how the site has always been- if you don't take into account the other person's argument, you'll get blown apart.  At best, you'll walk away from the computer with a stronger belief in what you've pitched forward, as no doubt some can testify to this when they've gotten into a heated argument/ debate with some of the most "intimidating" members to grace this site- Fades, Pert, SG, Fritz, JB.  If you'd have been around this site long enough, you'd know what I mean.  Since many others have been here longer than you, they know what several topics I'm referring to, and would agree.  However, by the same token-

"Lay down and die when you get blasted because you've been a fuckarse."

Fuck
off.  Alot of the time, it's quite obvious that another has brought forth abuse which could have been avoided on themselves if they had taken the time to post "properly".  Spelling is the most prevalent of excuses used to abuse, and many of us have been on the recieving end.  All of us here have been the subject for "abuse".  Something you pussies don't realise is that alot of it is in jest, or can be taken with a grain of salt or three.  Piss-taking happens in real life too.  Get tougher skin, and it'll do you a world of good.

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.

This advice is so basic and blasè that you have to yawn when you read it.  Thank you for your cookie-cutter logic and advice!  Maybe next time you can give her tips on how to breathe and eat regularly or she'll die.



The clumsy phrasing of your first paragraph makes it very difficult to wring out meaning. Half of it seems to imply that it would be bad if the targets of your negative rhetoric brushed off the comments – which may happen if those you mention have already been demonised or equalised – because then they wouldn’t have the desired impact. The other half seems to imply some watery sympathy for the victims because others won’t defend them against you, and they might be genuinely hurt.

I assume if the former is the case, you believe that picking on anyone who says something foolish is what they deserve and should better them as a person, as you imply in the later paragraph. I understand this might be expected by adults, who have had opportunities through experience and education to mount a defence or counterattack. But to me, victimizing children just seems a little too much like stepping on puppy heads because they squash easily. Fun, perhaps, but hardly a challenge.

There seems to be a fine line between helping those you perceive as intellectually weak to harden up and outright bullying – and the argument that it should be expected, or was merely satire, doesn’t prevent the victims from closing up to you and taking all further comments as plain cruelty. What future lessons will someone learn if they simply dismiss everything else you say?

Correct grammar, spelling, thoughtfulness in posting and the stamping out of fangirlism are all fine goals to aspire to, but there is a difference between poking fun to educate and just being a bastard. I should also like to point out that although you may have the purest of intentions, thinly veiling all negativity as satire or an education in toughness will inevitably attract and excuse outright bullying. Are the bullies reprimanded as often – or at all – for being as stupid as the ill-spoken?

If there is a part of the first paragraph that is sympathy for the victims – I ask you, who here defends them anyway? You fail to acknowledge that your reputation precedes you – you are already touted about as being a verbal monster to be feared or revered. The excuse that your attacks are just part of your nature is already used frequently, so anything I say is hardly going to make a difference.

Hello Nate. I’m pleased to have met you at last.

Now, do I have to mention that the above is largely light-hearted fun poking and observations, or can you gather that without it being stated explicitly?

P.S. You might want to rethink your use of the word ‘blasé’. The term is specific to an individual, since it’s a state of mind or emotion. Perhaps you feel blasé about what I wrote, but the text itself feels nothing. I know - I asked it earlier.
And despite the old saying ‘i before e, except after c,’ ‘receiving’ doesn’t adhere to this rule. Obviously there are no dictionaries lying about in your glass house. 
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Re: HELLO OUT THERE!!!
« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2007, 10:55:10 AM »

oooh.
this one should be good :)
*settles in with popcorn*
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Re: HELLO OUT THERE!!!
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2007, 11:08:43 AM »

You fail to acknowledge that your reputation precedes you – you are already touted about as being a verbal monster to be feared or revered.

Don't tell him that... he has enough of a deity complex as it is...
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