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The High Court - should it leave law making to parliament?
« on: July 18, 2007, 02:58:26 PM »

Protection from judicial rule

A spate of activist judges on the High Court does not mean we have to change the method under which we appoint our law givers, argues federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock

July 17, 2007


THE debate about judicial activism in Australia is over. Australian law has had its experiment with judges trying to apply "contemporary values", "the contemporary needs and aspirations of society", "the relatively permanent values of the Australian community", and all the other attempts to substitute subjective preferences for the rule of law.

 

link to article http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22084027-7583,00.html

 

In my view Mr Ruddock completely misses the point about the need for laws to change and develop with the needs of society.  He and his government now have what they want, a conservative bench.  Thank goodness we still have his Honour Justice Kirby on the bench, even if he is mostly in the dissenting judgments.

I will also post an editorial from The Australian - and would be interested in others views on this topic, as next year there will be three new appointments to the bench.




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Re: The High Court - should it leave law making to parliament?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2007, 03:01:11 PM »

This is the editorial from The Australian


High court not a law unto itself


A US book has unmasked Australia's highest court | July 16, 2007

GONE may be the days when it was frowned upon for judges to socialise outside their circle of judicial peers, but it is hard to believe that they have better antennae for community sentiment than politicians who are forced to present their wares to the public for election on a regular basis. This point is central to the issue of judicial activism highlighted by US academic Jason L. Pierce in his book, Inside the Mason Court Revolution. The debate is all the more pressing with the federal Government preparing to announce a replacement for retiring High Court judge Ian Callinan under a system that pays lip service to consultation but is, unlike the US system of appointments to the Supreme Court, a winner-takes-all fait accompli by executive government.

Pierce's book draws from a series of anonymous interviews with 80 of Australia's most senior judges. As reported in The Weekend Australian, the book highlights the deep divisions that still exist within Australia's highest court over its transformation under chief justice Anthony Mason from caretaker to creator of the law.

Mason's tenure as chief justice from 1987-95 followed the closing off of all appeals to the Privy Council in 1986, freeing the High Court from oversight. The result, as told to Pierce by the judges, was a "hyperactive", "adventurous", "incomparably activist" High Court "composed of judicial legislators (and) controlled by Jacobins." The judges were "under the influence of left-wing theorists", "deciding cases as Marx or Freud would have", "defying common sense", "moving the goal posts instead of just deciding if a goal had been scored", and "overcome with delusions of grandeur".

Among those interviewed were High Court Chief Justice Murray Gleeson, nine current and retired High Court judges, 24 Federal Court judges, five chief justices from the states and territories and some of the most senior state judges. Their unguarded comments make it clear that a desire for judicial activism remains alive and well.

One Victorian appellate judge said he did not believe the country could move forward unless the High Court was prepared to take risks and that it took parliaments a hell of a long time to make laws reflecting community feeling. One Mason court judge went as far as to say critics of the Mabo decision - which rejected the notion of terra nullius and opened the way for recognition of native title rights for indigenous Australians - were vociferous rednecks with no sympathy for liberalism. One does not have to disagree with the High Court's reasoning on Mabo to feel uncomfortable at such sentiments when expressed by judicial officers who are appointed with little or no public input or debate and, once appointed, are nearly impossible to remove.

The more convincing argument is that laws are best made by those most directly responsible to the public through regular elections. As one judge told Pierce, in seeking to override the parliamentary process on lawmaking, the judiciary may not be as fully informed about the process and public opinion as they would like to think they are. It is indeed, as another judge said, dangerous for judges to arrogate to themselves the function of identifying majority or community standards.

The issues raised by Pierce are of particular interest now as the federal Government prepares to appoint three new High Court justices in less than two years. A replacement for Justice Callinan, who steps down on September 1 after reaching the statutory retirement age of 70, is expected at any time. Chief Justice Murray Gleeson is due to retire in 2008 and Michael Kirby the following year.

With debate still alive as to how the High Court should interpret its relationship to executive government, the potential is clearly there to shift the balance in favour of either a more conservative or progressive stance. Of course, in attempting to mould the make-up of a court to its liking, no government is guaranteed to always get what it bargained for.

What Pierce's book highlights is the need for much wider debate concerning both the appointment of judges and the debate taking place among office holders within the court. It is unfortunate that the candid comments published by Pierce could only be elicited and made public on the basis of anonymity to be published in a foreign country.

link http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22079286-23069,00.html
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Re: The High Court - should it leave law making to parliament?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2007, 03:29:21 PM »

We need the High Court to protect us from the corrupt, self interested individuals who write our statutes. Any argument to the contrary can only benefit those corrupt individuals.
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Re: The High Court - should it leave law making to parliament?
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2007, 04:08:21 PM »

I agree with you Nick 2.  That is why Kirby J's dissents are always so important and worth reading.  The concern I have is that the Howard government will make the next few appointments and it will be so conservative that there is little chance of them going against the government. 
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Re: The High Court - should it leave law making to parliament?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2007, 07:41:43 PM »

Tenure is the magic word here.  Some 'conservative' appointments haven't eactly always gone the way they were supposed to.  You need to have faith once appointments have their spot they aren't kowtowing to anyone's agenda.

Anne I agree, some awesome dissents from Kmeister over the years.  Poor bugger has this reputation for constant dissent, but he sits around the 32% mark.

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2007, 12:12:38 AM »

Good point Dr Truck.  There certainly have been some appointments to the court that have not been as conservative as anticipated.  I will certainly miss Kirby J when he leaves the bench, and am a bit suprised at his low dissent rate but that is good to know.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2007, 12:18:08 AM »

I am a bit of a Kirby groupy, aren't we all?  I remember reading his Garcia judgement in my first year of Hairdressing at Sunshine TAFE.  It made an impression.

I met him last year, and I was all 'OMG ur totally liek Justice Kirby an liek you totally hav 2 sign my bra!!!1!!!!one!!!'

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2007, 08:40:43 PM »

I am a bit of a Kirby groupy, aren't we all? 

No.

You want to make the law then go get elected.

Administering the law requires impartiality and activist judges fail that test miserably.

Stupid cunts.

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2007, 08:52:57 PM »

I met him last year

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Re: The High Court - should it leave law making to parliament?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2007, 09:59:34 PM »

On a related note, should Parliament leave judging to the judges?

Say, if a judge granted bail to someone, but that person then got sent to a detention centre, and then moved to a maximum security prison or something...do you reckon that judge feels like he/she is doing a good job?
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2007, 10:05:05 PM »

On a related note, should Parliament leave judging to the judges?

Say, if a judge granted bail to someone, but that person then got sent to a detention centre, and then moved to a maximum security prison or something...do you reckon that judge feels like he/she is doing a good job?

What does the law say?

If you get your visa revoked do you go to detention?

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2007, 10:06:14 PM »

What does the law say?

If you get your visa revoked do you go to detention?

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Funniest part is that they intend to deport a fucker who had a one way ticket.

Now that's funny.

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2007, 10:20:17 PM »

Er...anyhow...

Yes, but then explain the maximum security prison thing?
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Re: The High Court - should it leave law making to parliament?
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2007, 02:03:50 AM »

No.

You want to make the law then go get elected.

Administering the law requires impartiality and activist judges fail that test miserably.

Stupid cunts.

SG

In order to administer the law properly a judge certainly needs to be impartial, however they also need to have some understanding of what society as a whole believes in.  If you are suggesting that our current government enacts laws with impartiality then I think you are sadly mistaken.  I am not advocating for judges that are biased or irresponsible but we do need judges that are not afraid to interpret the law in a way that is responsive to the changing needs of our society.

Justice Kirby is a wonderful and intelligent judge in my opinion and if one bothers to read his judgments then you would see that.

If you look at our laws I do not believe you can say that all of them are relevant to our present society.  And government only changes the laws it wants to not necessarily the laws that need review, take the IR laws as an example.  I do not see how you can say they are responsive to society but rather part of the governments conservative agenda and something Howard wanted for years.

SG you seem to have a very black and white view of the law, but in my experience it is never that easy to simply say, " what does the law say ".  If you want an example of this go and read the endless discussions on what the word reasonable can mean depending on its context.

And btw I hate the expression " cunts." and not sure of its relevance in your reply, or in fact to this discussion.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2007, 02:26:35 AM »

A few point I wish to add:

I love the word cunt, but I digress.

A dissenting judgement doesn't make law, does it?  Unless the court picks it up and runs with it later.

Re 'activist judges'  Strict application of standing principles can be equally absurd.  Didn't the HC cop a lot of heat over strict interpretation of tax law?  We can't have a buck each way, can we?

It is sweet that people think of parliament as representatives that enact the wishes of the electorate, but we are all a little old for that one aren't we?  The only sway I have over who will set the agenda for the ruling party is if I invest in a sniper rifle.  I am much better off contemplating where my dollars will go if I want to change anything.

Annew, SG tend to have a monochromatic view of life itself, not just the law.  Now, you kids go rumble.
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