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What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« on: June 20, 2007, 01:37:04 PM »

I have a declaration:  this forum is now shit.

Once upon a time, this was a place where people of immense intellect could gather to discuss matters of national importance ad nauseam, demonstrating arguments for and against a position in the hopes of persuading others to see things their way.  Many a lesson I learned as I watched these battles of word appear on my screen like so many politics or sociology related university lectures (but with far more wit and many more laughs).

And of course, to discuss the latest fantastic episode of the Chaser (being the actual content of the episode and the skits, rather than which Chaser guy is, like, my total fave).

Now, every single thread seems to be about one of two things: (1) fangirls (whoever and whatever the fuck they are) and how much we don't like them; or (2) something someone said about another person on the forum.

So, in an effort to drag the forum back to the days of yore and when it was actually an interesting place to visit, I present to you the first in a series of inflammatory topics for debate.  Let the quality of your responses show what the forum now is, and what it is to become.


The causes of homophobia in contemporary Australian society, with particular focus on the attitudes of the Baby Boomer generation and how these attitudes have affected the sociological development of young Australians.
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2007, 03:13:19 PM »

Your latest assignment TC :?

But seriously, I'm with you and will attempt to assist, but not just now :-(
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2007, 03:17:01 PM »

Thanks Sandra Sully

http://www.chaser.com.au/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,227/topic,5885.0

Good to see I am not the only one.
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2007, 04:59:05 PM »

Thank you, Tux - I've been trying, but I could never word it quite so eloquently as you.  Before entering into your debate (which i shall, and with great gusto), may I just say that it is people like your good self leaving, along with hoardes of others, coupled with the Chaser boys becoming mainstream successes that have made the forum the banal place it is today.  Don't leave ever again.  :)

Now - as to causes of homophobia.

Personally, I don't believe that homophobia is a big problem anymore.  I know a lot of homosexual men, and a few homosexual women, and quite a few bisexual people of both genders, and they don't seem to have an issue really.  (One of my friends was 'fag-bashed' during high-school, but it was less to do with his sexuality and more to do with the fact that he was an exceptionally talented, straight-A student.  Kids will find anything to justify picking on someone - they may be gay, black, leb, have red hair - it doesn't matter.) There's still a few dickheads in their 20s and 30s who'll pick a fight, but those same dickheads would pick a fight with a member of any minority, whether they're Asian, or Muslim, or female, or a Rabbitohs supporter.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that if gay people don't want to be known simply by their sexuality, than they should not introduce themselves as simply sexuality.  There are some homosexual men and women, who are walking cliches.  You'll find it around Oxford St, and  their homosexuality is completely put on.  It's as if they've studied homosexuality 101.  You get to know them, and they're nice, normal, down-to-earth people, but in public they're so stereotypically 'gay' that they mask any other attributes.  It's almost as if they're putting out a challenge to the rest of the population to have an issue. 

Before you all lambast me for being intollerant, let me say that I have no problem with homosexuality - my problem is with people making public what is essentially a private matter.  I don't walk around saying "Hi, my name is Bel.  I'm heterosexual", and yet it seems fine for a friend of a friend to introduce themselves by saying "Hi, I'm Steve and I'm a raging poof".  Thankfully, those that behave in this way are in the minority.  However, they are the ones that garner the most media and public attention, and have the most issues with intollerance.

I believe that the baby boomer generation have little, if anything, to do with the opinions of the 20-40 demographic(s?) anymore.  Gay isn't taboo - it's almost trendy.  My dad, who could be classified as a "baby boomer" isn't homophobic.  None of his mates are either.  Amongst reasonable, intelligent (or even just reasonable) people, I believe there is a spirit of tolerance and open-mindedness now that there wasn't 20 years ago. 

Anyone who is homophobic these days is either stupid, or a closeted homosexual.
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2007, 05:47:44 PM »

Your latest assignment TC :?

But seriously, I'm with you and will attempt to assist, but not just now :-(

I'm offended.  The only degree in which you might find such an assignment topic is a BA, and we all now how useless they are.

Thanks Sandra Sully

http://www.chaser.com.au/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,227/topic,5885.0

Good to see I am not the only one.

I'm glad we're in agreement, but you haven't actually contributed to the discourse.  Good try though.

Personally, I don't believe that homophobia is a big problem anymore.  I know a lot of homosexual men, and a few homosexual women, and quite a few bisexual people of both genders, and they don't seem to have an issue really.

Just because this very small selection of people (which is quite obviously too small to be representative) have had no issues which have affected them directly does not mean that a culture of homophobia is alive and well.

I point to the bashing of Big Brother's David outside the Wickham in Queensland's Fortitude Valley prior to his entering the reality TV show.  It resulted from David trying to placate a group of youths who were taunting some gay men for fun.

Your father's friends may not be open about their homophobia, because there exists an increased awareness that it is politically incorrect to be openly homophobic.  But it's still there, festering behind closed doors in people's living rooms and backyards.

(One of my friends was 'crude, homophobic term that reveals my ignorance-bashed' during high-school, but it was less to do with his sexuality and more to do with the fact that he was an exceptionally talented, straight-A student.  Kids will find anything to justify picking on someone - they may be gay, black, leb, have red hair - it doesn't matter.)

Did all the other straight A students at his school get bashed?  Or was it just him?  It's likely that his sexuality had mroe to do with it than his academic success.

There's still a few dickheads in their 20s and 30s who'll pick a fight, but those same dickheads would pick a fight with a member of any minority, whether they're Asian, or Muslim, or female, or a Rabbitohs supporter.

I disagree.  I'm sure that homophobia co-exists with racism in some people, but it is not fair to say that everyone who is racist is homophobic and vice versa.

Also, muslims and asians are actually sociologically more inclined to be homophobic than caucasians.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that if gay people don't want to be known simply by their sexuality, than they should not introduce themselves as simply sexuality.  There are some homosexual men and women, who are walking cliches.  You'll find it around Oxford St, and  their homosexuality is completely put on.  It's as if they've studied homosexuality 101.  You get to know them, and they're nice, normal, down-to-earth people, but in public they're so stereotypically 'gay' that they mask any other attributes.  It's almost as if they're putting out a challenge to the rest of the population to have an issue.

If you choose to be "obviously" homosexual, you should not open yourself to bashing, hatred or vitriole.  Even if they are deliberately baiting the closed-minded in society, it is frightening that they get such a widespread response.

Before you all lambast me for being intollerant, let me say that I have no problem with homosexuality - my problem is with people making public what is essentially a private matter.  I don't walk around saying "Hi, my name is Bel.  I'm heterosexual", and yet it seems fine for a friend of a friend to introduce themselves by saying "Hi, I'm Steve and I'm a raging crude, homophobic term that reveals my ignorance".  Thankfully, those that behave in this way are in the minority.  However, they are the ones that garner the most media and public attention, and have the most issues with intollerance.

This guy is the exception; not the rule.

I believe that the baby boomer generation have little, if anything, to do with the opinions of the 20-40 demographic(s?) anymore.  Gay isn't taboo - it's almost trendy.  My dad, who could be classified as a "baby boomer" isn't homophobic.  None of his mates are either.  Amongst reasonable, intelligent (or even just reasonable) people, I believe there is a spirit of tolerance and open-mindedness now that there wasn't 20 years ago. 

Your kidding yourself.  Society is permeated by the attitudes and beliefs of the baby-boomer generation.  Most of those in parliament are conservative, closed-minded and homophobic (with the obvious exceptions of politicians who have come out).

Numerous people have been expelled from political parties due to their sexuality (never openly stated as the reason, of course).  This is because the political parties (rightly) believe that an openly homosexual person will have difficulty being elected, because of prevailing societal views.

Anyone who is homophobic these days is either stupid, or a closeted homosexual.

Agreed.
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2007, 05:52:01 PM »

Check other threads tux
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 06:24:00 PM »

I'm offended.  The only degree in which you might find such an assignment topic is a BA, and we all now how useless they are.

First things first - let's not get personal.  Fuck off about the BA.  :)

Just because this very small selection of people (which is quite obviously too small to be representative) have had no issues which have affected them directly does not mean that a culture of homophobia is alive and well.

I point to the bashing of Big Brother's David outside the Wickham in Queensland's Fortitude Valley prior to his entering the reality TV show.  It resulted from David trying to placate a group of youths who were taunting some gay men for fun.

Just because this very small selection of people (which is quite obviously too small to be representative) have issues which have affected them directly does not mean that a culture of homophobia is alive and well, regardless of the fact that your example happened to be reported in the media and mine did not.  My example also relates to more than one person, and yours did not.

Your father's friends may not be open about their homophobia, because there exists an increased awareness that it is politically incorrect to be openly homophobic.  But it's still there, festering behind closed doors in people's living rooms and backyards.

Unless you and yours are homophobic, how would you know that?  And if so, firstly - aren't you a little biased to be participating in this discourse?  And secondly, what are you doing to prevent it?  Either that, or you made it up.

I'm arguing based on my own experience - you're generalising with fairly broad strokes there, big boy.  Some evidence, if you please?

Did all the other straight A students at his school get bashed?  Or was it just him?  It's likely that his sexuality had mroe to do with it than his academic success.

Well, he was the dux, so I'm not sure that anyone is comperable.  If you're asking, however, was anyone else bashed by these bullies at all, the answer is 'yes'.  And they weren't gay.  They weren't even actors.

I disagree.  I'm sure that homophobia co-exists with racism in some people, but it is not fair to say that everyone who is racist is homophobic and vice versa.

Also, muslims and asians are actually sociologically more inclined to be homophobic than caucasians.

Where did I say that everyone who is racist is homophobic?  All I said was that there are dickheads around who are willing to pick a fight about anything, and if you're the least bit different, that's what they'll go for.

If you choose to be "obviously" homosexual, you should not open yourself to bashing, hatred or vitriole.  Even if they are deliberately baiting the closed-minded in society, it is frightening that they get such a widespread response.

I certainly would never advocate hatred, vitriole or violence.  But what I'm referring to is annoyance and satire. I think these are acceptable responses to someone being an antagonistic prat.  And trust me - there's plenty of antagonistic minority prats.  Why are we not allowed to satirise or make fun of these dickheads, but making fun of footy thugs, trailer trash, the pseudo-intellectual left, hippies, the English - these are all acceptable.

The trouble is that many members of minority groups have their sensivity level set at a hair-trigger, and will scream about being discriminated against when what was said was clearly satirical or humourous.

Your kidding yourself.  Society is permeated by the attitudes and beliefs of the baby-boomer generation.  Most of those in parliament are conservative, closed-minded and homophobic (with the obvious exceptions of politicians who have come out).

You're.  You're kidding yourself.  If you're going to patronise me, at least do it correctly.  :)

I'm going to agree on this point.  I was thinking too narrowly, I think.  Although I would like to hear the evidence to support why it is that you think that baby boomers are homophobic.

Numerous people have been expelled from political parties due to their sexuality (never openly stated as the reason, of course).  This is because the political parties (rightly) believe that an openly homosexual person will have difficulty being elected, because of prevailing societal views.

I have no doubt that people have been, if not expelled, then certainly had their political careers 'discouraged' because of their sexuality.

Why is it right that a homosexual person would have difficulty being elected?  :?

What you've just suggested is a bit of a catch-22 - the older generations aren't going to accept homosexuality unless they see more homosexuals in positions of power, but homosexuals aren't going to be allowed into positions of power until they're accepted by the older generations.

Agreed.

Wow.  I feel special.  :wink:
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2007, 11:01:35 PM »

Incisive debate?  Hello!!???

C'mon!  You bitch and moan about the forum not being like it was, and yet you don't even attempt to cut my argument into little bits and refute it syllable by syllable. 

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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2007, 04:20:50 AM »

I have a declaration:  this forum is now shit.

Once upon a time, this was a place where people of immense intellect could gather to discuss matters of national importance ad nauseam, demonstrating arguments for and against a position in the hopes of persuading others to see things their way.  Many a lesson I learned as I watched these battles of word appear on my screen like so many politics or sociology related university lectures (but with far more wit and many more laughs).

And of course, to discuss the latest fantastic episode of the Chaser (being the actual content of the episode and the skits, rather than which Chaser guy is, like, my total fave).

Now, every single thread seems to be about one of two things: (1) fangirls (whoever and whatever the fuck they are) and how much we don't like them; or (2) something someone said about another person on the forum.

So, in an effort to drag the forum back to the days of yore and when it was actually an interesting place to visit, I present to you the first in a series of inflammatory topics for debate.  Let the quality of your responses show what the forum now is, and what it is to become.


The causes of homophobia in contemporary Australian society, with particular focus on the attitudes of the Baby Boomer generation and how these attitudes have affected the sociological development of young Australians.

you really seem to be a class A wanker, tux.

your condescension towards the arts degree is not earned, since your 'forum-saving topic' seems weak at best, and thoroughly artsy - as you yourself pointed out.

causes? ignorance and religion.
baby boomers? conservative bunch who rebelled young then settled into liberal voting middle class existence with a picket fence, 2.5 kids and church on sundays.
sociological development? homosexuality is a badge, an identity and not just about who you prefer to have sex with.

i really feel as though i've uncovered some novel and previously unimagined points here.
who'd've thunk, after all, that the predominant religion in a country could affect the values of its populus?
or the fact that a group that makes up a large proportion of the population could have a marked effect on the prevailing nature of these values?  :roll:

now please, let us continue with the woe is we who miss fellow barnacles that stroked one another's egos upon posts of wonderous intelligence.  :roll:

suck it up, you lot, go and talk to some of your friends about politics if you can't bloody find anyone on a bloody website.
sanctimonious attitudes towards a couple of 14 year olds just doesn't wash as the intelligentsia you proclaim once lived upon these hallowed boards.
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2007, 10:08:07 AM »

First things first - let's not get personal.  Fuck off about the BA.  :)

Okay, it was a cheap shot.

Just because this very small selection of people (which is quite obviously too small to be representative) have issues which have affected them directly does not mean that a culture of homophobia is alive and well, regardless of the fact that your example happened to be reported in the media and mine did not.  My example also relates to more than one person, and yours did not.

Touche.  Although the fact that mine was reported in the media is indicative of a public interest in the occurrence, and by implication a prevailing social issue.  Although I must admit that from memory the biggest write-ups were in the left-leaning newspapers.

Unless you and yours are homophobic, how would you know that?  And if so, firstly - aren't you a little biased to be participating in this discourse?  And secondly, what are you doing to prevent it?  Either that, or you made it up.

Yes, I have regular contact with middle-aged people, being family members and family friends who are homophobic.  My father, for example, is homophobic.  This hasn't prevented him from having a close friend for the last 25 years who is openly gay, but it does result in him making degrading jokes from time-to-time as reflection of his attitude.

I would suggest that you have had contact with plenty of middle-aged (predominantly) men who allow their homophobia to seep out in a similar fashion.

As for what I have done to change it, I attempt to engage him and anyone else who makes similar jokes/comments in a discussion with a view to changing their views.  It is rarely effective, as homophobia (like racism) is a reflection of dogmatic life-long feelings about the subject.

I am not homophobic, and I am not biased.

I'm arguing based on my own experience - you're generalising with fairly broad strokes there, big boy.  Some evidence, if you please?

Evidence will be hard to come by in this type of discussion, but I've given you some personal experience that I am drawing on.

Well, he was the dux, so I'm not sure that anyone is comperable.  If you're asking, however, was anyone else bashed by these bullies at all, the answer is 'yes'.  And they weren't gay.  They weren't even actors.

Where did I say that everyone who is racist is homophobic?  All I said was that there are dickheads around who are willing to pick a fight about anything, and if you're the least bit different, that's what they'll go for.

Whether or not other people were bashed by these bullies is irrelevant - his sexuality made him a target.

I certainly would never advocate hatred, vitriole or violence.  But what I'm referring to is annoyance and satire. I think these are acceptable responses to someone being an antagonistic prat.  And trust me - there's plenty of antagonistic minority prats.  Why are we not allowed to satirise or make fun of these dickheads, but making fun of footy thugs, trailer trash, the pseudo-intellectual left, hippies, the English - these are all acceptable.

The trouble is that many members of minority groups have their sensivity level set at a hair-trigger, and will scream about being discriminated against when what was said was clearly satirical or humourous.

I'm not suggesting that it's not acceptable to satirise homosexuals - but when they are being denied rights which are accorded to their heterosexual counterparts, clearly societal attitudes are having an influence greater and more damaging than satire or annoyance.

You're.  You're kidding yourself.  If you're going to patronise me, at least do it correctly.  :)

Ouch.  I'm out of practice.

Why is it right that a homosexual person would have difficulty being elected?  :?

Because of prevailing societal attitudes.  A fair proportion (if not a majority) of voters would be unwilling to vote for an openly homosexual candidate, at least until they have proven themselves as an effective leader.  And of course, it is difficult to do this unless you're given an opportunity to do so.  The old Catch 22.

you really seem to be a class A wanker, tux.

Thank you.

your condescension towards the arts degree is not earned, since your 'forum-saving topic' seems weak at best, and thoroughly artsy - as you yourself pointed out.

My condescension is based on the fact that my "weak" forum topic would actually be an acceptable topic for an assignment in a BA.  Not so in a real degree, such as Law, Commerce or Medicine.

The fact that I want to have an informal debate about an artsy topic should not affect my right to condescend on people electing to undertake a BA.  I just don't think people should be subsidised to discuss "artsy" topics.

causes? ignorance and religion.

What a simplistic assessment.  Ignorance breeds fear, which causes the phobia part of homophobia, so I'll pay that.

Religion: puh-lease.  Christian Church attendance (and particularly the Catholic Church which hates the gays the most) is at the lowest level per capita in Australia in the history of the country.

Further, God-fearin' church-goin' folk haven't blinked an eye at obliterating numerous decrees of religious law over the past 100 years (eg. sex before marriage, divorce, acceptance of birth control, mass on Sundays etc), however acceptance of homosexuality has never even been genuinely considered as a possibility.

Clearly, if they are willing to break some rules and not others, there is more than "religion" at work in causing homophobia.

baby boomers? conservative bunch who rebelled young then settled into liberal voting middle class existence with a picket fence, 2.5 kids and church on sundays.

That's a narrow but effective definition.  I don't see how it adds to your argument.

sociological development? homosexuality is a badge, an identity and not just about who you prefer to have sex with.

This doesn't address the sociological development of society's heterosexual youth - which will be the portion of the population that continues with a culture of homophobia for the next 50 years if it occurs.  I don't see what "homosexuality is a badge and an identity" has to do with this portion of the population.

i really feel as though i've uncovered some novel and previously unimagined points here.

You shouldn't feel that way, because you haven't uncovered anything except your own ability to provide a cursory response to a complicated issue with a startling level of arrogance.

who'd've thunk, after all, that the predominant religion in a country could affect the values of its populus?
or the fact that a group that makes up a large proportion of the population could have a marked effect on the prevailing nature of these values?  :roll:

See above as to "religious" people's treatment of other tenets of their own religion and how this differentiates from their treatment of homosexuality.

now please, let us continue with the woe is we who miss fellow barnacles that stroked one another's egos upon posts of wonderous intelligence.  :roll:

suck it up, you lot, go and talk to some of your friends about politics if you can't bloody find anyone on a bloody website.
sanctimonious attitudes towards a couple of 14 year olds just doesn't wash as the intelligentsia you proclaim once lived upon these hallowed boards.

Wah, wah, wah.  If you don't like to engage in this kind of debate, or you don't think it's worthwhile, why did you bother responding?

Piss off, and get a clue.

PS.  Go the weagles.  They're going to shit on the saints this weekend.
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2007, 03:21:30 AM »

Thank you.

My condescension is based on the fact that my "weak" forum topic would actually be an acceptable topic for an assignment in a BA.  Not so in a real degree, such as Law, Commerce or Medicine.

The fact that I want to have an informal debate about an artsy topic should not affect my right to condescend on people electing to undertake a BA.  I just don't think people should be subsidised to discuss "artsy" topics.

What a simplistic assessment.  Ignorance breeds fear, which causes the phobia part of homophobia, so I'll pay that.

Religion: puh-lease.  Christian Church attendance (and particularly the Catholic Church which hates the gays the most) is at the lowest level per capita in Australia in the history of the country.

Further, God-fearin' church-goin' folk haven't blinked an eye at obliterating numerous decrees of religious law over the past 100 years (eg. sex before marriage, divorce, acceptance of birth control, mass on Sundays etc), however acceptance of homosexuality has never even been genuinely considered as a possibility.

Clearly, if they are willing to break some rules and not others, there is more than "religion" at work in causing homophobia.

That's a narrow but effective definition.  I don't see how it adds to your argument.

This doesn't address the sociological development of society's heterosexual youth - which will be the portion of the population that continues with a culture of homophobia for the next 50 years if it occurs.  I don't see what "homosexuality is a badge and an identity" has to do with this portion of the population.

You shouldn't feel that way, because you haven't uncovered anything except your own ability to provide a cursory response to a complicated issue with a startling level of arrogance.

See above as to "religious" people's treatment of other tenets of their own religion and how this differentiates from their treatment of homosexuality.

Wah, wah, wah.  If you don't like to engage in this kind of debate, or you don't think it's worthwhile, why did you bother responding?

Piss off, and get a clue.

PS.  Go the weagles.  They're going to shit on the saints this weekend.

i engaged, not because of the scintillating topic (or lack thereof), but the arrogance at which you determined that the topics people choose to discuss lack the necessary gumption.

then in hurtled a couple of forum barnacles, and there began the mutual wank-fest of complimenting one another and fondly remembering the days where you were all contributers to wonderful forum banter.

i thought i'd better give a cursory response to the (very thin) question.
you then proceeded to analyse this cursory response, while dismissing the actual guts of my post with a 'wah wah, we'll pick on children half our age if that's what we want to do'.

law, medicine and commerce. all very real, and obviously noble studies.
fancy that yourself is included in that definition.
who couldn't argue that the world would benefit from having a few more lawyers around eh?

i'd honestly hope that anyone who manages to reach the upper echelons of any intelligent group would learn not to dismiss people on behalf of their titles/job description/area of study.

back on topic, you seem to have gotten confused somewhere along the way, so i'll endeavour to lead you by the hand a little.

true, church attendance is low, but 90% of the population also align themselves with a church.
people (shock horror) usually pick and choose the rules they like to live by.
no sex before marriage? happy to chuck it out the window.
surrendering power to those traditionally in 'minority' power situations (eg; women, homosexuals)? not so hot on that.

when people start talking about weeding religion out of schools, 'moral code' is one of the first arguments to come up.
most of western society bases their 'moral code' on two of the 'big 3'; judaism, christianity and islam.
so happens all of these have a pretty dim view of homosexuality.
the ingraining of minority hatred isn't something that has be be re-instilled every sunday at church, i'm shocked that you believe so.

as for the 'badge', you asked how i thought discrimination against homosexuality has affected the sociological development. obviously this was a directed question, in light of your cranky response, but the point i was making was that homosexuality now has a sociological backlash, if you will, where it is now a badge of honour, rather than a preference.
pseudonym experienced so with her friend introducing himself as 'steve the gay'.

baby boomers? if a large section of society holds religious views (and these are the people who were brought up under far more severe religious brainwashing than now), it's likely to affect things.
you may not want to believe it, but a great many baby boomers are homophobic religious zealots.

as for my insightful and new breakthroughs on the topic of homophobia?
next time i'll use sarcasm teal, for the less perceptive of readers.
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2007, 03:34:10 AM »

I'm a forum barnacle now?  :lol:  What's wrong with mentioning that the place is different now, anyway?

The irony in you telling Tux that he's arrogant is fantastic.  He is, there's no denying it.  But as exceptionally intelligent as you are, Bollocks, you're just as much a wanker.  :)
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2007, 03:42:41 AM »

I'm a forum barnacle now?  :lol:  What's wrong with mentioning that the place is different now, anyway?

The irony in you telling Tux that he's arrogant is fantastic.  He is, there's no denying it.  But as exceptionally intelligent as you are, Bollocks, you're just as much a wanker.  :)

it's not mentioning that it's different, it's lamenting all intelligent debate.

i'm the first to admit it's boring as batshit round here, but that's less because of incisive debate and more because noone's calling one another cunts anymore.

the most entertaining poster on here by a country mile refuses point blank to participate in so-called weighty discussions.

i'll cop wanker.
i just don't dig wanker telling other people what to discuss and who is qualified to discuss it.
you were defending the BA yourself, i saw.
i certainly don't think that study in the arts and intelligence are mutually exclusive.

please, these kids are 14. at least this wanker tries to pick on those her own size.
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2007, 03:48:45 AM »

it's not mentioning that it's different, it's lamenting all intelligent debate.

i'm the first to admit it's boring as batshit round here, but that's less because of incisive debate and more because noone's calling one another cunts anymore.

the most entertaining poster on here by a country mile refuses point blank to participate in so-called weighty discussions.

i'll cop wanker.
i just don't dig wanker telling other people what to discuss and who is qualified to discuss it.
you were defending the BA yourself, i saw.
i certainly don't think that study in the arts and intelligence are mutually exclusive.

please, these kids are 14. at least this wanker tries to pick on those her own size.

True true - and I'll take the banality over the uber-drama any day.

As to defending the Arts degree - hell, I figure I have to, if I'm ever going to have cred once I'm a  qualified tosser, rather than the rather unconvincing pseudo-intellect bullshit artist I am today.

(Hell, I'm spending my weekend learning about phonetics vs phonology with reference to lower-class Scouse accents.  :lol:  Important stuff.  Ties in nicely with my audition on Sunday though.) 
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Re: What the hell happened to all the incisive debate?
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2007, 04:01:26 AM »

True true - and I'll take the banality over the uber-drama any day.

As to defending the Arts degree - hell, I figure I have to, if I'm ever going to have cred once I'm a  qualified tosser, rather than the rather unconvincing pseudo-intellect bullshit artist I am today.

(Hell, I'm spending my weekend learning about phonetics vs phonology with reference to lower-class Scouse accents.  :lol:  Important stuff.  Ties in nicely with my audition on Sunday though.) 

i'm not sure about 'cred', but i won't hold your arts degree against you.

i did a linguistics unit or two back in the day. may god have mercy on your soul.
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