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Author Topic: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?  (Read 2918 times)

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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2007, 08:15:57 PM »

Yeah thats what I mean, I travel a lot and realise that it's totally my fault if I can't get my order across.

I did mean Aus, seeing as that is where most people in here live.  And I know that English is already a deciding factor for a lot of employers.  But should it be made legal to choose based on communication skills?

No, I do not believe you actually need to go that far. The beauty of interviewing people is that you do not need to give reasons as to why they are not employed other than stating you have filled the position. Putting a reason around it actually opens you up to litigation. Here are a couple of examples:

"You could drive a truck between your two front teeth."
"I would have to re-write the OH&S program to ensure people stay clear of you big arse"
"I intend to extend my business this year, having you out the front with a head like yours will actually achieve the opposite"

See where I am going?
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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2007, 08:27:33 PM »

yes I do, you're opening a strip club
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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2007, 08:43:59 PM »

I don't think people should have to speak fluent English before coming to English speaking countries, nor should we have to speak language X of country Y fluently. They should, however, try and get the basics down pat. We have the occasional person through the doors at work that just has no idea and doesn't even care and they should be shot. Although most of them at least try to speak English and understand that it is them that is the cause of the language barrier and are therefore more understanding.

Anyway, back to the question. Yes, employers should be allowed to ensure that potential employees can speak English well enough to communicate with customers effectively.

Of course they should be able to! In business your customers are everything, if they get frustrated by your staff because you hire a heap of <insert really racist term here>'s that are completely incapable of doing their job due to their lack of respect for the language that they need to speak to do their job, then your customers are not going to come back in a real hurry.

I had a young (aka CHEAP...) Asian girl come in yesterday actually who was very nice and well presented, but I could not understand a word that she said, she even asked me what some of the questions on her application form meant such as "Address", "D.O.B.", "Previous Employer", need I go on? I threw her application form in the bin before she even walked out the door.

Anyway, come to Australia if your English isn't great as long as you're trying, but don't expect to work here until it's pretty damn fluent. Otherwise you can just fuck off - in the nicest possible way!  :-D

But like you said Fritz, that's what an interview is for.


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« Last Edit: May 22, 2007, 09:11:23 PM by Waltrow »
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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2007, 09:06:04 PM »

Our country, our language (or the purposes of this, either we admit we might as well be part of the UK and US, or that Australian is a seperate dialogue).

In the US, they have this problem due to Mexican migrants...many of them illegals.
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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2007, 09:22:54 PM »

In the US, they have this problem due to Mexican migrants...many of them illegals.

The bulk of our illegal immigrants can speak english.
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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2007, 09:56:49 PM »

The bulk of our illegal immigrants can speak english.

Well Al-Qaeda are hardly gonna spend their funds on a jihadi shepherd boy who can't work out how to buy a train or plane ticket.

My friend, are you flying out of Gatwick or Heathrow?
And what date & time?

Edit reason:  I said "work out to buy a ticket" rather than "work out how to buy a ticket".  Hey, that might seem pretty minor to you infidels, but the local Mullah might read it wrong
« Last Edit: May 22, 2007, 11:51:17 PM by Neville Bartos »
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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2007, 09:59:46 PM »

Heathrow and mind your own business
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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2007, 10:35:25 PM »

Many apologies, my friend.  It is just that my friend Ibrahi... I mean Bill, needs some help with excess luggage.  Perhaps you could see your way fit to help him, yes?
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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2007, 11:38:12 PM »

A somewhat more relevant issue would be whther an employee fired for lack of 'communication skills' would be covered by unfair dismissal laws*. Im not saying it's justified but couldn't this be interpreted as racial prejeduce?

*i.e. in the present tense and also if labor brings in some kind of reform.
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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2007, 11:43:55 PM »

To my knowledge, which is naught, you can specify skills that are required for certan jobs.  If English language skills are required, an employer may specify that.

I don't cry foul when jobs ads request Vietnamese, or Auslan, or Spanish.  Or programming skills, a medical degree, or even basic personal hygiene.  I just realise I have no business applying for these jobs.

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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2007, 11:46:51 PM »

A somewhat more relevant issue would be whther an employee fired for lack of 'communication skills' would be covered by unfair dismissal laws*. Im not saying it's justified but couldn't this be interpreted as racial prejeduce?

*i.e. in the present tense and also if labor brings in some kind of reform.

Interesting if there is a case of this. The employer would be a dick if he put it in writing, however, it would probably not take a too-smart prosector to work it depending on the situation and circumstances. If you want to get rid of someone, you work them out of the job. Either they will shine and productivity goes up or you lose dead wood.
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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2007, 03:16:09 AM »

A somewhat more relevant issue would be whther an employee fired for lack of 'communication skills' would be covered by unfair dismissal laws*. Im not saying it's justified but couldn't this be interpreted as racial prejeduce?

Not in our business, hey Perti  :-D
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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2007, 03:26:53 AM »

The hospitality method for a Clayton's sacking is simply to roster the person (invariably casual) on Saturday nights, 8 - 11 pm until they fuck off.  Works a treat.


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Re: English motherfucker....Do you speak it?
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2007, 03:39:05 AM »

I did 6 years at KFC from the age of 14-20. We also did the Saturday night gig with all the shit staff. It worked for most, although it took about 15 weeks before the deadshits clicked on to what we were doing and also a few of them had no lives so it suited them perfectly.

Not a bad plan if you have the foresight of the need to sack someone in 3-4 months though  :evil:
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