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Jones - Inciting or informing?
« on: April 11, 2007, 09:04:18 PM »

I thought I would bring this up considering Heinz is out there planting bombs or waving some the world is nigh placard.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/tv--radio/jones-breaches-code-with-riot-talk/2007/04/10/1175971101428.html

What are your thoughts on this matter? Does Jones have a responsibility to ensuring that hatred is not spread by not reading out emails received from readers? Or does he have a right to put it all out there warts and all?

My personal opinion is that I think he is a twat for even considering reading some of the shit he received out, considering that you should have good reason for doing so and maybe consider the consequences of your actions considering you have a major talk back radio station. But I am only one person, however I do question the objective of doing so.
 
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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2007, 09:08:14 PM »

Jones was inciting racial hatred.
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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 09:21:34 PM »

In year 8 english we had to listen to different shock jocks and give our opinions on their bias and such.

Listening to Alan Jones was awful. That man has a lot bile which he constantly feels that he needs to share. Some of the stuff he said was really xenophobic.

The sad thing is that he constantly wins the ratings for the timeslot he's in.

Which doesn't say alot about the state of Australia given that milions constantly tune in to listen to him ranting.....
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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2007, 10:35:23 PM »

My personal opinion is that I think he is a twat for even considering reading some of the shit he received out, considering that you should have good reason for doing so and maybe consider the consequences of your actions considering you have a major talk back radio station. But I am only one person, however I do question the objective of doing so.

Spot on.

Jones has a huge following, particularly amongst people that can't think for themselves and are easily turned towards hatred. Therefore he has a duty to act more responsibly.

The one good thing about the affair is that it has exposed part of our nasty underbelly and that has to be alright.

It was a cowardly way to drum up his ratings.
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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2007, 12:16:00 AM »

Jones was inciting racial hatred.

Ditto. 'Course he was. The people who listen to him and take his word as gospel are utter morons. Fact.
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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2007, 09:28:48 AM »

Ok, take Jones the person out of the picture. For the purpose of throwing a different light on the matter and to get past your blinkered minds, what if it was Steve Cannane who read these letters out on Triple J, would you honestly still think that he is inciting riots? Is it in the delievery as opposed to the content itself or even the projected audience?
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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2007, 11:28:50 AM »

I don't think the audience can be a factor. After all, you can't see them, and there is no rating system to block listeners.

However, a lot can be derived from the delivery of such information. The emphasis and voice used can make a huge difference. If you read out a letter, and make no comment about it, it's kind of implied that you agree/support the letter. You are hardly going to read out a letter you don't agree with without commenting.

Also there is history. There is a way in which a presenter is perceived, and an image built. Opinionated/political/comic/shock/smooth etc etc. This can also alter the perception of what is said.

Australian radio is normally pretty keen to avoid the kind of comment that Jones supported on that occasion. Unfortunately there are many people out there who rely on single sources of information to form their own point of view. Also unfortunately, your average punter spends little time accessing decent quality, unbiased (as you can get) information. Ch7,9, & 10 news are still the most popular sources of news for Australians, and yet (at least to me), are alarmingly shallow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_television_ratings_for_2006

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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2007, 11:40:26 AM »

EEEK!  That's fucking frightening.

Big Brother is on again this year, too.
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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2007, 12:24:17 PM »

Jones was out of line by doing that, but then again he always seems to be. Maybe thats why people like him? For the whole "hoo hoo you cant say that" rather than actually agreeing with what he says. Its like I hate the "spoonman" when he was on Triple M but i always found myself listening to his rants. Alan Jones is another story though, cant stand the fucker.

They played his leaked 'closet-recordings' on Hack the other day (current affairs prog on JJJ) and yes, he is full of bile.
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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2007, 04:31:14 PM »

Nah fuck it. Half the reason the Cronulla shit went down is because "Anglo" Australians have consistently been told to shut the fuck up whenever they have raised concerns about multicultural policy.

This is yet another example of people being told to "shut the fuck up" when they raise anything to do with multiculturalism.

Is there a recording anywhere of exactly how Jones presented it, or are we all "ooh ahhing" over the interpretations of my political correct media fuckwits?

Yeah, Jones is a fuckwit, and inciting racial violence is fucked. But I think there is a place for reading out letters like that to actually demonstrate the level of frustration that people are experiencing and getting it out in the open.
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2007, 04:34:00 PM »

As soon as I mentioned the words Steve Cannane, I knew you may come out with a different light on the matter squiggles.  :lol:
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2007, 04:42:42 PM »

I was referring to the leaked recordings of him (2004) that were released to the media. You know, the ones with him being as venomous as possible; 'Fuck this, Fuck that' etc etc
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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2007, 04:46:59 PM »

As soon as I mentioned the words Steve Cannane, I knew you may come out with a different light on the matter squiggles.  :lol:

ahahahaha.
oh yeah....

Quote from: Fritz
I thought I would bring this up considering Heinz is out there planting bombs or waving some the world is nigh placard.

Well...the world IS nigh :lol:
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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2007, 06:03:07 PM »

Nah fuck it. Half the reason the Cronulla shit went down is because "Anglo" Australians have consistently been told to shut the fuck up whenever they have raised concerns about multicultural policy.

This is yet another example of people being told to "shut the fuck up" when they raise anything to do with multiculturalism.

Is there a recording anywhere of exactly how Jones presented it, or are we all "ooh ahhing" over the interpretations of my political correct media fuckwits?

Yeah, Jones is a fuckwit, and inciting racial violence is fucked. But I think there is a place for reading out letters like that to actually demonstrate the level of frustration that people are experiencing and getting it out in the open.

He was hardly "raising concerns" though, was he?  He wasn't debating the issue, or expressing dismay.  He was actively stirring up racial tensions.  Why couldn't he have read out an email about someone saying they didn't like it, not asking for a fight?  Assuming, of course, that someone had sent that email in, they didn't make it up.

I have heard recordings of him, he was definately stirring.
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Re: Jones - Inciting or informing?
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2007, 03:58:40 PM »

has anyone here actually heard the live broadcasts in question?

i used to listen to him in the mornings - always figured the blood rushing to my head in anger was a good way to wake up - and i heard all those transmissions ..
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